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  • Tim D.
    Very Frequent User
    • September 1, 2009
    • 238

    1964 coil ballast resistor

    Many thanks to all of you who helped me fix my back-up light problem. I had the actuating rod installed improperly. I took everyone's advise and the problem is solved. Now I have encountered a new problem.

    Background: After a lengthy restoration on my 1964 327/365 hp, I fired it up last weekend. I went through all of the usual pre-start up procedures which included: starting the motor a few months ago on just the frame and breaking in the cam with the correct oil/zinc etc as discussed at length in the archives. This time, the body is back on the frame, fully wired with all new 'Lectric Limited wire harness and virtually every switch, nut and bolt etc., on the car is new and pretty close to NCRS correct with a few exceptions.

    Problem/Question: The car has new points, condensor, cap, spark plugs, plug wires, ignition switch, 069 distributor, 091 Delco-Remy coil and the infamous "black dot" coil ballast capacitor with the horseshoe cut out in the mounting bracket on the firewall. It is a brand new reproduction part that I bought from one of the well known Corvette parts suppliers. According to my research, this is very close to the NCRS correct coil ballast resistor for the 327/365 hp engine. I preset the initial point gap at 0.019 and the timing at 10 degrees BTDC. The engine started right away BUT I could not get it to run worth a darn no matter what I tried including checking timing, dwell, spark and removing and reistalling the distributor too many times to count to make sure it was where it needed to be etc. The engine ran VERY rough and sporadic. It also backfired through the carb a couple of times but not too often. Mainly, it was just running extremely rough. Every once in a while it would run smoothly for 3-5 seconds or so and then go right back to running extremely rough. I noticed after several hours of messing with this, that after the car would sit idle for 20-30 minutes or so while I was trouble shooting/thinking etc., it would start right up and run smoothly for a couple of seconds and then go back to the very sporadic rough run with a few short spurts of running smoothly. It appeared to be an ignition proble of some kind. The flash of the timing light was VERY sporatic. I checked each wire individually etc with the light and also made sure all spark plug wires were routed correctly and connections were tight etc. I accidentally touched the coil with my hand and it was HOT! Then I touched the coil ballast resistor and it was HOT! I figured out that after I would stop for my 'think time', the coil would cool slightly and therefore, the engine would run smoothly for a few seconds until the coil got hot again. I guessed that the culprit may be my coil ballast resistor not reducing the spark to the coil enough and therefore, the coil was getting way too hot and possibly causing the engine to run rough. I then installed a replacement coil resistor from a local parts store that was rated 1.6 ohms as compared to the black dot resistor which is marked on the side of the porcelain as being rated at 0.2 ohms (which is not within specifications listed in the 1963 shop manual) and the problem IMMEDIATELY went away! The car ran great and I was able to dial in the dwell, timing, carb etc and then adjusted my valves. It is running great!

    One more piece of info that may or may not be relevant. When I assembled my 327/"365hp" engine, I decided I didn't want solid lifters and installed the 1965 type L-79 hydraulic lifter cam with hydraulic lifters as a modification. I don't know if this affects the above problem I encountered and/or if it dictates which coil ballast resistor I should use. As many of you know, the 63-64 (340-375HP) used the black dot coil resitor and the 63-64 (250-300HP) used a different resistor with no dot. The 63 shop manual specifications chart states that the iginiton ballast resistor is between 1.4-1.62 ohms but it doesn't mention the various horse power applications. What is the ohm rating for the 250-300hp resistor and what is the ohm rating for the 340-375hp resistor supposed to be? By what margin does the coil ballast resistor reduce the current to the coil after the engine gets the initial 12 volt jolt and starts?

    Sooo....the question is, what is going on with the supposedly correct coil ballast resistor, what ohm rating do I need, and which resistor do I buy in order to have my car run well and still be NCRS correct? I thought when I bought the black dot resistor that I had the correct one. Is it correct and just went bad or do I need something different? When I installed the replacement 1.6 ohm resistor, I put my test light on the bottom screw and the light lit very brightly and then when I touched the test light to the top screw, it lit very dimly. Therefore, I guessed this meant the replacement resistor was in fact reducing current, as it should, to the correct level before it went back to the coil.

    I will continue to read the archives on my own while I am awaiting some input from guys that may have encountered this problem.

    Any and all thoughts and advise would greatly be appreciated!
    Thanks,
    Tim
  • William C.
    NCRS Past President
    • May 31, 1975
    • 6037

    #2
    Re: 1964 coil ballast resistor

    OK, the '65 Ballast resistor should be 1.8 ohms, only one version was used in '65 for all engines except TI which did not use a seperate resistor. If you are actually a .2 ohms, you will heat the coil fairly quickly to a full boil. I'd suggest trying a known good resistor and see what the results are.
    Bill Clupper #618

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    • Tim D.
      Very Frequent User
      • September 1, 2009
      • 238

      #3
      Re: 1964 coil ballast resistor

      Bill, thank you very much for your input. Given the lengthy description I posted above which states my 64 327/"365" hp was built with the 65 hydraulic cam and lifter set up, which set up would you recommend? I'm not sure if the switch from solid lifters to hydraulic lifters even dictates a change in ignition coil and ballast resistor. I have read all of the archives and see there is much discussion relating to coils and resistors. I would appreciate your suggestion on the following options as well as anyone else who may want to chime in.

      1. stay with the 091 coil and buy a different black dot resistor
      2. stay with the 091 coil and buy a 63-64 250-300 hp resistor
      3. buy the 087 coil and the 63-64 250-300hp resistor
      4. buy the 1965 202 coil and the 63-67 resistor

      I'm still confused as to which set up will give me the correct ignition and reduce the current to my coil so it won't heat up and my engine will run correctly.

      Thanks,
      Tim

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      • William C.
        NCRS Past President
        • May 31, 1975
        • 6037

        #4
        Re: 1964 coil ballast resistor

        Well, let's start with the engine, 350/365 hp setup is identical as far as the distributor is concerned, so I don't think anything there is at issue, as long as it is set to the factory specifications. The resistor will, by design get HOT" That is why it is imbeded in the ceramic housing. But there are major differences between the "Black dot" and the "Blue Stripe" resistors. Chevrolet originally used a low resistance resistor with all the special high performance engines in the early 60's while the standard ballast resistor was rated at 1.8 ohms But for a while they used a .35 resistance ballast resistor in the SHP engines. What followed was many customer complaints, finally resulting in a service notice that when a car with a SHP engine came in with "Cooked" points under warranty, replace the points and also CHANGE THE RESISTOR to the 1.8 ohm version. Later Corvettes all use the 1.8 ohm resistor without difficulty. The 091 coil is a high performance coil and will work just fine if you have everything else in order. The 1.8 Ohm resistor will keep the temperature of the coil down some, save points and should work well, assuming the coil is a GM original and not at Reproduction from ???
        Bill Clupper #618

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        • Tim D.
          Very Frequent User
          • September 1, 2009
          • 238

          #5
          Re: 1964 coil ballast resistor

          Bill, thanks for your reply. You have made my situation much more clear. I think it sounds like I need to keep my "correct" high performance distributor, and my 091 coil and buy a standard blue stripe 1.8 ohm ballast resistor for a 63-67 STD ignition Corvette. However,the 091 coil is a reproduction coil. Your last sentence seemed like having a reproduction coil may create a problem. Any thoughts you have will be greatly appreciated. I would really like to get this corrected and running properly etc. Thank you. Tim

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          • William C.
            NCRS Past President
            • May 31, 1975
            • 6037

            #6
            Re: 1964 coil ballast resistor

            Fundamentally the only Issue I have with reproduction coils is that I don't know who makes then or to what specifications. I have a repro 107 in my '62, and I haven't had any problems with it, but If I road tour, I take a spare with me.
            Bill Clupper #618

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            • Tim D.
              Very Frequent User
              • September 1, 2009
              • 238

              #7
              Re: 1964 coil ballast resistor

              OK Bill. Thanks for all of your help. It is good to know you have not had any problems with your repro coil. I will give the blue stripe resistor a try but still don't understand why the black dot resistor doesn't do the job it was designed for. I guess it was just something that didn't work at GM and they changed them as customers came in with burned up points etc.

              How do the NCRS guys that get their cars judged get the black dot resistor to operate as designed and pass the operations check etc?

              Thanks Bill. I really appreciate your help, knowledge and taking the time to reply.

              Tim

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              • William C.
                NCRS Past President
                • May 31, 1975
                • 6037

                #8
                Re: 1964 coil ballast resistor

                Just find an original resistor and "restore it" including the black dot. Resitor has no impact on cold start or ops.
                s
                Last edited by William C.; October 11, 2009, 12:19 PM. Reason: elaborate
                Bill Clupper #618

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                • Tim D.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • September 1, 2009
                  • 238

                  #9
                  Re: 1964 coil ballast resistor

                  Bill, sounds good. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. I reallly do appreciate it. I will post another thread when I get this solved and put to rest. Have a great day. Tim

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                  • Jack H.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • March 31, 1990
                    • 9906

                    #10
                    Re: 1964 coil ballast resistor

                    My experience is the 0.3 ohm ballast (even repro) DOES work with a bona fide '091 coil. Beyond the caveats of this/that part being defective, there are a few 'cockpit' factors that I've seen...

                    (1) Ballast was installed and the owner was a bit timid when it came to FIRMLY torquing the mounting screws of the ballast at the wire terminals resulting in loose/bouncing contact.

                    (2) The ballast was connected 'backwards' with the 'Start' side of the engine harness feeding the opposite ballast terminal.

                    (3) The wire from the ballast to the coil rubbed/chaffed against the lower edge of the distributor shield resulting in intermittent shorting.

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                    • Tim D.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • September 1, 2009
                      • 238

                      #11
                      Re: 1964 coil ballast resistor

                      Jack, great thoughts. I really appreciate your input. I am 99.99% sure it is wired properly (I will triple check it). I am 100% sure the ignition shield did not damage the wires because it is not installed yet. BUT..............I am not at all sure about how FIRMLY I tightened the two screws where the wires connect to the coil resistor. I have been known to be too timid when tightening things down. I guess this comes from breaking off too many bolts and/or stripping screws etc. I will make sure they are tightened down firmly and see what happens.

                      I just got off of the phone with technical assistance with one of the well known suppiers and they are looking into this matter as well. It is so nice to have guys willing to help other enthusiasts.

                      Thanks,
                      Tim

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