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  • James W.
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    • September 9, 2009
    • 34

    Question on '69 Convertible L46

    Just purchased a 1969 Convertible L46 Lemans Blue w/white soft top, it has a 350/350 4-speed. The engine pad is missing the numbers - probably due to the engine being bored out to a 383. The date code on the block is J-2-9 (Oct. 2, 1969) and the number on the trim tag's top right corner is 018 (Oct. 18, 1969) and the casting # is 397010.

    I have two Corvette Order Copies - one is in some type of plastic and the other is loose, in 3 pieces and very fragile. I even have the blue Chevy dealer envelope the original paperwork came in; it from a dealershipin Texas.
    The Order copy has a Date Received of 09/18/69 the Model # is 19467 Corvette Convertible (they used the first 5 of the vin#) - the Paint is listed as #02976AA Lemans Blue. The only difference from the Order Copy and the car is that the top is white and not black as listed on the Order Copy.

    The car had been repainted in 1995 and is in need of paint (it looks good from a distance). It has correct side exhaust but they were not factory as the rear valance is not correct and it had the rear exhaust set-up underneath.

    The car runs very strong and the former owner raced it - its has an MSD ignition, Summit Racing 8mm wires, Summit Distributor, Stahl headers, 909 dual-feed carb and a 402 cam. The trans is a M21 and it has 370 posi-traction rear. There is also a Hurst racing shifter in place of the original.

    My question is by NCRS standards how restorable is this car? I don't want to go crazy with it but I am want to change the air cleaner cover and valve covers back to original and take some of the added chrome out of the engine bay and put the original shifter back. I want have it repainted as it has chips and is fading (mostly by the area where the hard top rests) Will repainting hurt the value? The interior is in great shape and needs only a few things - emergency brake console (cracked and faded), manual override knob is missing and the passenger side seat belt does not work. Should I try to spruce up the interior parts or leave them alone - they are structurally sound just showing signs of age?

    The white convertible top is new - do they deduct because it's not black as original. Does the fact the vin# is missing from the pad and the engine is bored out deduct too many points?

    I had it to two body shops and my mechanic who had it up their lifts and they all gave me the thumbs up saying that she is mechanically sound and has never been in an accident. A friend of mine who has restored over 30 Corvettes said that the bird cage was fine and that there was only minor surface rust underneath.

    I hope you don't mind the long post - I'm new to C3's and don't want to make any changes before hearing from people who know about them.







  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43213

    #2
    Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

    Originally posted by James Walsh (50824)
    Just purchased a 1969 Convertible L46 Lemans Blue w/white soft top, it has a 350/350 4-speed. The engine pad is missing the numbers - probably due to the engine being bored out to a 383. The date code on the block is J-2-9 (Oct. 2, 1969) and the number on the trim tag's top right corner is 018 (Oct. 18, 1969) and the casting # is 397010.

    I have two Corvette Order Copies - one is in some type of plastic and the other is loose, in 3 pieces and very fragile. I even have the blue Chevy dealer envelope the original paperwork came in; it from a dealershipin Texas.
    The Order copy has a Date Received of 09/18/69 the Model # is 19467 Corvette Convertible (they used the first 5 of the vin#) - the Paint is listed as #02976AA Lemans Blue. The only difference from the Order Copy and the car is that the top is white and not black as listed on the Order Copy.

    The car had been repainted in 1995 and is in need of paint (it looks good from a distance). It has correct side exhaust but they were not factory as the rear valance is not correct and it had the rear exhaust set-up underneath.

    The car runs very strong and the former owner raced it - its has an MSD ignition, Summit Racing 8mm wires, Summit Distributor, Stahl headers, 909 dual-feed carb and a 402 cam. The trans is a M21 and it has 370 posi-traction rear. There is also a Hurst racing shifter in place of the original.

    My question is by NCRS standards how restorable is this car? I don't want to go crazy with it but I am want to change the air cleaner cover and valve covers back to original and take some of the added chrome out of the engine bay and put the original shifter back. I want have it repainted as it has chips and is fading (mostly by the area where the hard top rests) Will repainting hurt the value? The interior is in great shape and needs only a few things - emergency brake console (cracked and faded), manual override knob is missing and the passenger side seat belt does not work. Should I try to spruce up the interior parts or leave them alone - they are structurally sound just showing signs of age?

    The white convertible top is new - do they deduct because it's not black as original. Does the fact the vin# is missing from the pad and the engine is bored out deduct too many points?

    I had it to two body shops and my mechanic who had it up their lifts and they all gave me the thumbs up saying that she is mechanically sound and has never been in an accident. A friend of mine who has restored over 30 Corvettes said that the bird cage was fine and that there was only minor surface rust underneath.

    I hope you don't mind the long post - I'm new to C3's and don't want to make any changes before hearing from people who know about them.








    James-----


    I'd say the car is very restorable, assuming the frame and birdcage are sound. As far as the white top goes, you could always have that replaced with a black top to get it back to original in that respect.

    The BIG cost item is going to be getting it painted.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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    • James W.
      Expired
      • September 9, 2009
      • 34

      #3
      Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

      Joe,

      Thanks for the reply - the birdcage and frame are good.

      Jim

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      • Jamie F.
        Expired
        • May 20, 2008
        • 337

        #4
        Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

        From a judging standpoint there is no way for a judge to know if the car came with a white or black top, so no point deduction for that.
        It seems like it's the original block, so you may want to explore getting it restamped as that would be a big deduction.
        The side exhaust would have to come off and return to undercar, again if going for the points.
        Nice car!

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        • James W.
          Expired
          • September 9, 2009
          • 34

          #5
          Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

          Thanks for the info. I was thinking about restamping - but don't know for two reasons: legality and authenticity (will whoever does it get it correct?) I don't look it as a fraud as I wouldn't be putting false #'s on it - only the numbers that should have been there - much like putting the original valve covers and air cleaner back on.

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          • Peter G.
            Very Frequent User
            • December 1, 1980
            • 406

            #6
            Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

            James..

            What a beauty! One of my favorite colors and I think the best for '69!

            Blank stamp pad? That's could be a problem. If my memory is correct a non-numbers matching engine block would never get you a NCRS Top Flight. Only the highest would be NCRS Second Flight. Now guys if my memory is wrong, please chim in here. I remember being told that by some NCRS Master Judges with my '79 L82 Coupe that I had purchased as it had a GM CE block that was replaced very early in the car's life. The numbers were there, but did not match.

            I would deal with this issue first if you are heading in the direction of going NCRS Top Flight. Getting the engine pad restamped. I am sure they probably "decked' the whole side when boring out your block. It happens alot and I have heard of it happening even after the car owner has asked the machine shop to protect the stamp pad area!

            Like others have said...side exhaust if not factory for your car would need to come off and go back to the correct exhaust system out the back.

            Tires,air cleaner, distributor and looks like alot of aftemarket parts on the engine for high performance and appearance. Can be done, but just takes time and money.

            Look like a super nice car and fun to drive in the Summer months!

            Good luck with your new baby.
            Peter Gregory # 4157

            National Corvette Restorers Society Since 1980

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            • James W.
              Expired
              • September 9, 2009
              • 34

              #7
              Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

              I got it at a very good price and I figure my son and I can work on it over the next couple of years. I'll start on the obvious things and then go from there. Paint will be the last thing I do - when we think she's complete.

              I also forgot to mention that the suspension and brakes are all high performance upgrades as well. (I'm starting to think -they may deduct too much for the high performance mods)

              The former owner even went as far as to put a 12 1/2 or 13 gallon gas tank in it and removed the spare tire and carrier to lighten her up! He saved the spare tire carrier - I just have to put it back on and eventually put the original size gas tank back on it. I went to Carlisle with my son and two friends with Corvettes and I had to fill it up 3 times on the way up; they all got there on the first tank and only had to refill on the way back. Scared me at first - until I realized the tank was smaller.

              Thanks for your advice!

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              • John H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • December 1, 1997
                • 16513

                #8
                Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

                Originally posted by Peter Gregory (4157)
                Blank stamp pad? That's could be a problem. If my memory is correct a non-numbers matching engine block would never get you a NCRS Top Flight. Only the highest would be NCRS Second Flight. Now guys if my memory is wrong, please chim in here. I remember being told that by some NCRS Master Judges with my '79 L82 Coupe that I had purchased as it had a GM CE block that was replaced very early in the car's life. The numbers were there, but did not match.
                Peter -

                In his case, the block casting number is correct, and the block casting date works for the build date of his car, and those two items carry the majority of the points for block judging. The decked blank pad would be an 88-point deduction, just like a bad restamp (you can lose up to 270 points and still Top Flight).

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                • Peter G.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • December 1, 1980
                  • 406

                  #9
                  Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

                  Thanks, John..

                  I overlooked the other correct block casting numbers. So just the blank pad. Not so bad.

                  My opinion, too many things to change back for NCRS/Bloomington. I personally would start with a car a bit more original.

                  But I am getting old and don't have as much energy as I used too.

                  Thanks for the clarification.
                  Peter Gregory # 4157

                  National Corvette Restorers Society Since 1980

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                  • James W.
                    Expired
                    • September 9, 2009
                    • 34

                    #10
                    Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

                    I was beginning to think this as well - especially in light of the engine and suspension mods. I am going to focus on putting the original valve covers and air cleaner back on the car and detailing the engine bay and replacing the colored hoses, etc. to make her look more original. As far as the interior, I will change the shifter back, fix the minor things such as the override switch and the passenger seat belt and then have it repainted.

                    I guess the good news is that by keeping her a daily driver, I can get a really nice paint job and not have to worry about point deductions for it being too nice.

                    I appreciate your input as I didn't buy her with the intentions of restoring her to NCRS standards - but once I received the Order Copies and verified the engine; I thought she might be a candidate.

                    I guess I can look on the bright side - I have a 1986 Coupe totally stock - hopefully C4's will go up in value and start to generate more interest - then I can have it judged. Thanks again.

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                    • Tom M.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • August 31, 2000
                      • 231

                      #11
                      Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

                      The car needs paint, so everything else is pretty much bolt on after that, if you are going to re-do the car, why not make it look correct, I don't think you need to many parts to have a nice looking ride.

                      Tom M

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                      • James W.
                        Expired
                        • September 9, 2009
                        • 34

                        #12
                        Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

                        I guess my question is: Would I have to remove all the suspension mods, brake mods and side exhaust to attempt NCRS? I like the side exhaust, suspension and brake mods as the car rides and handles much better than a stock C3.

                        I would like to bring it back to original in the areas I mentioned and would put the proper rear valance on the car so it appears to be a factory correct side exhaust car - I may be wrong, but I think this would not be enough for the NCRS standards.

                        If this is the case - I will still have a vehicle capable of NCRS at some time, should I decide to go that route in the future.

                        I understand and agree with the NCRS standard of bringing the car back to how it was when it left the assembly line. In this case - even if I removed all mentioned items, I still have some questions as to how NCRS will view the bored out engine and the lack of the vin# on the stamp pad and I'm still unsure of the restamping issue.

                        A friend of mine told me the car was worth about $15K maybe $16 tops if I really liked it - his point was that it's not a big block car and that I shouldn't get too carried away with restoration.

                        I appreciate any thoughts as I am new to this - the worst that can happen is that I take care of some of the car's issues and leave others to be addressed at a later time - when and if I decide to put it back in original condition.

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                        • John H.
                          Beyond Control Poster
                          • December 1, 1997
                          • 16513

                          #13
                          Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

                          Originally posted by James Walsh (50824)
                          I still have some questions as to how NCRS will view the bored out engine. I appreciate any thoughts as I am new to this - the worst that can happen is that I take care of some of the car's issues and leave others to be addressed at a later time - when and if I decide to put it back in original condition.
                          Nobody but you will ever know the engine has been bored out.

                          You might consider buying the '68-'69 Judging Guide and compare what you have against the standard to identify the areas/items that would get deductions, then decide which of those are worth improving if you decide to improve the car.

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                          • Kenny C.
                            Expired
                            • March 2, 2009
                            • 191

                            #14
                            Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

                            Okay so here is maybe a stupid question and I ask because I have the same problem regarding the stamp pad. Mine is also the correct original motor (i know this for certain) but was decked and wiped out he stamping. For judging am I better off leaving it as it is and eating the points or can I have it re stamped and re gain at least some of the point value? The body is off the car but the engine is in the frame and I am very close to putting the body on which will make access harder so if I am going to attempt a re stamp now would be the best time to try. Comments please.

                            PS
                            James
                            Sorry to high jack the thread but it seems it may help you too.

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                            • John H.
                              Beyond Control Poster
                              • December 1, 1997
                              • 16513

                              #15
                              Re: Question on '69 Convertible L46

                              Originally posted by Kenny Chandler (50158)
                              Okay so here is maybe a stupid question and I ask because I have the same problem regarding the stamp pad. Mine is also the correct original motor (i know this for certain) but was decked and wiped out he stamping. For judging am I better off leaving it as it is and eating the points or can I have it re stamped and re gain at least some of the point value?
                              A decked blank pad will get exactly the same deduction (88 points) as a detected restamp.

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