67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

[Kirk M.]

Are all four bolts on the water pump suppose to be painted engine orange? My car has a 327/300 hp engine with air conditioning. Thanks.

Kirk

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

Are all four bolts on the water pump suppose to be painted engine orange? My car has a 327/300 hp engine with air conditioning. Thanks.

Kirk

Kirk----


I believe that for your application the upper left (driver) side bolt and the lower right (passenger) side bolt were unpainted. The other 2 bolts were painted engine color.

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

Joe,

Any way I can find out for sure? The card in the bolt bag from LICS said to paint the upper driver's side bolt orange but said nothing about the other 3. Why would this be different? Is it because of the addition of air conditioning and movement of the alternator, or are all water pumps done that same way? Thanks.


Kirk

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

Joe,

Any way I can find out for sure? The card in the bolt bag from LICS said to paint the upper driver's side bolt orange but said nothing about the other 3. Why would this be different? Is it because of the addition of air conditioning and movement of the alternator, or are all water pumps done that same way? Thanks.


Kirk

Kirk----


The upper, driver side bolt was installed at St. Louis. I don't know why it would have been painted. For base engine with C-60 applications the lower passenger side bolt was also installed at St. Louis, so I don't know why it would have been painted. The other two bolts were as installed on the engine at Flint, so they should be painted (even though the upper passenger side bolt was removed and re-installed for the compressor bracket).

As far as finding out for sure goes, it will take observation or reports from known-original cars of your configuration.

[Mike M.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

Hi Guys,
Lengthy thread last week on that D/S upper bolt head.
If I recall the consensus was that since the alt bracket attached at Flint was moved to the D/S for C60 in '65 and remained there in both Base and C60 throughout '66 & '67 was painted with the engine and that painted bolt from Flint was left in tact through the engine dress process.
HaND

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

Hi Guys,
Lengthy thread last week on that D/S upper bolt head.
If I recall the consensus was that since the alt bracket attached at Flint was moved to the D/S for C60 in '65 and remained there in both Base and C60 throughout '66 & '67 was painted with the engine and that painted bolt from Flint was left in tact through the engine dress process.
HaND

Mike----


I didn't view the recent thread you mention. However, as far as I know, the only alternator bracket that was painted with the engine for 66-67 small blocks was the lower bracket. The upper brace was not part of the engine assembly. The upper, left waterpump bolt attaches both the the lower bracket as well as the upper brace. The AIM indicates that the bolt was installed at St. Louis. However, I suppose it's possible that an existing bolt was used, assuming that a bolt was installed at this position from Flint.

For 1968-1969, which has a nearly identical alternator mount configuration, no bolt was installed at this position and a stud was installed at St. Louis. This exact configuration was also used for 1966-67 with K-19.

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

OK, now I see why this isn't an easy question. Let's start with this idea

Upper Bolt (A) Upper Bolt (C)
ORANGE
Pass Drivers
Side Side
Lower Bolt (B) Lower Bolt (D)
ORANGE

So, based on that configuration, which bolts should be painted orange. Mike, are you saying the bolt LEFT behind would have been painted orange since the bracket was moved? So, which bolt are we disagreeing on "B" or "C". Thanks.


Kirk

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

Also, does the addition of PS make any difference?

Kirk

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

For some reason the formatting didn't come out on the message. So, let's try this one more time

Pass Side
Upper Bolt (A)
Lower Bolt (B)

Drivers SIde
Upper Bolt (C)
Lower Bolt (D)

So far, we have orange paint on upper pass bolt "A" and lower drivers bolt "D".

We also have one vote for and one vote against for orange paint upper drivers bolt "C".

Do you have the link to the other thread about this?

Thanks.

Kirk

[Mike M.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

Hi Kirk
I just re-read the thread, but, couldn't figure out how to post the link here, so,
Check the archives for "Alternator Brackets 1965", William Garrett, Aug.16, 8:04 p.m.
The post does not specifically address the bolts, but, interpreting the re-read, the D/S upper bolt would be as I stated above, with both D/S bolt heads being engine orange.
Perhaps someone else may have a varying interpretation or confirmation.
Hope this helps
HaND

[John H.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

Pass Side
Upper Bolt (A)
Lower Bolt (B)

Drivers SIde
Upper Bolt (C)
Lower Bolt (D)

So far, we have orange paint on upper pass bolt "A" and lower drivers bolt "D".

We also have one vote for and one vote against for orange paint upper drivers bolt "C".

Kirk

Per the '67 Assembly Manual:

A = Painted - called out as "production bolt" (C60, C1)

B = Not Painted - added at St. Louis (C60, C1)

C = Not Painted - added at St. Louis (6, A2)

D = Painted - not touched at St. Louis (6, A2)

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 327/300 HP Water Pump Question

Thanks John.

Kirk