1970 ralley wheel paint

[Greg H.]

This has been discussed many times already I know. Just struggling to get it right on my end.

I have an original wheel I'm trying to have matched by a local shop but they are missing. They are trying to match the poor coverage on my one original wheel. Since it is black underneath they keep coming back with dark silver, no green tint - although they say it's in there.

Does anyone have a formula I can give them to get it right?

Should there be metal flake in the mix? I don't really see it in the original but they do. The original has such poor coverage and inconsistent color it is not easy.

[Jack H.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

This subject comes up rather frequently... The wheels were painted 'Argent Silver' and it's known the formulation used from '67-70 had a greenish undertone. From '71 up, it's generally accepted that, while still called Argent Silver, the formulation changed and they lack the greenish undertone.

Now, getting a 'correct' shade of Argent Silver for the early cars is more of an artform than a formula... Different judges have different views as to what is 'correct' and that complicates things.

Search the archives for threads on the topic of Argent Silver and you'll find a LOT of prior discussion(s). But, be forewarned, I don't think you're going to find a UNIVERSAL agreement as to what blend method is actually 'correct'...

[Les G.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

Paragon sells Argent Silver with a Green hue but they want $60.00 a can. A body shop guy told me to take my original spare wheel to a good auto body supplier and he can duplicate it.

[Greg H.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

Paragon sells Argent Silver with a Green hue but they want $60.00 a can. A body shop guy told me to take my original spare wheel to a good auto body supplier and he can duplicate it.

Well that is what I'm doing... I guess persistence is the key. We shall see.

[Greg H.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

Well I have my match and the wheels are painted. I will have one original paint wheel on the car so it will be a good comparison for judging. If I get good results from the judges I'll have a source for an acceptable color.

[Brandon T.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

Well I have my match and the wheels are painted. I will have one original paint wheel on the car so it will be a good comparison for judging. If I get good results from the judges I'll have a source for an acceptable color.

I checked online the guy above as the simple fix bite down and pay for it from paragon, probably other vendors offer it too.

it's probably dead on tho, might be worth just paying it.

[Greg H.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

I checked online the guy above as the simple fix bite down and pay for it from paragon, probably other vendors offer it too.

it's probably dead on tho, might be worth just paying it.

I would've been thrilled to pay $60/can from Paragon but they don't have it in their on line catalog. Maybe I should have called them. I had to make about 5 trips to the paint supplier to get the mix right. It's a pretty good match now.

[Brandon T.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

I would've been thrilled to pay $60/can from Paragon but they don't have it in their on line catalog. Maybe I should have called them. I had to make about 5 trips to the paint supplier to get the mix right. It's a pretty good match now.

I found it?

I also found it on ecklers..it's prob the same thing and it's a lot cheaper http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?p...&dept%5Fid=122

[Patrick H.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

I would've been thrilled to pay $60/can from Paragon but they don't have it in their on line catalog. Maybe I should have called them. I had to make about 5 trips to the paint supplier to get the mix right. It's a pretty good match now.

I find it easier to download their catalog and use the Search function of the pdf file. They do not have all of their catalog items easily "findable" online, but if you find the part using the pdf catalog you can find it then by part number online.

It's item 2747 in their pdf catalog, $79 per can.
Ouch.
If I type 2747 into the web page, though, it does not come up.

If I were you I'd sell the formula for $5 each.

Patrick

[Patrick H.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

I found it?

I also found it on ecklers..it's prob the same thing and it's a lot cheaper http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?p...&dept%5Fid=122

Brandon,

that one looks like the "regular" bright silver, not the green-tinted silver which is what Greg is after.

Patrick

[Greg H.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

I find it easier to download their catalog and use the Search function of the pdf file. They do not have all of their catalog items easily "findable" online, but if you find the part using the pdf catalog you can find it then by part number online.

It's item 2747 in their pdf catalog, $79 per can.
Ouch.
If I type 2747 into the web page, though, it does not come up.

If I were you I'd sell the formula for $5 each.

Patrick

Thanks Patrick. I may buy a can just to compare to what I had mixed, although I now have a decent match to one of my original wheels it's more to satisfy my curiosity at this point.

[Mark Z.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

Talked to Paragon a couple of days ago. It (#2747) is discontinued. Any other sources?

[Mark D.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

Out of my five original AZ wheels, one had very nice original paint remaining. My restorer shot a color match that came out dead on. There is quite a bit of green in this paint. I judge 68-72 mechanical at most of the regional and national meets and I've never heard Ballard busting anyone's chops too badly on too much or too little 'greenish hue.' I purchased a can of the greenish rallye wheel paint a while back from OEM and it wasn't even close although it was expensive.

[Greg H.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

Out of my five original AZ wheels, one had very nice original paint remaining. My restorer shot a color match that came out dead on. There is quite a bit of green in this paint. I judge 68-72 mechanical at most of the regional and national meets and I've never heard Ballard busting anyone's chops too badly on too much or too little 'greenish hue.' I purchased a can of the greenish rallye wheel paint a while back from OEM and it wasn't even close although it was expensive.

Well I will report from my own experience that there was not much of a green tint to my original wheel. Some, but not as much as I have seen in some pictures including this one. I imagine there may have been some variations from time to time. All my wheels are dated the same, and all but the spare were painted once with the standard argent. I went back and forth with the paint supply until I got a close match. It has some blue & yellow to provide some green tint but not enough to take over from the silver. I do have a sample card that will be available for the judges to compare the one wheel (which will be mounted with three re-paints).

One thing that made this process difficult is the poor coverage of the original. As it is sprayed over black, and was obviously a speedy operation, there is a fair amount of black showing through plus some areas with runs.

[Kenneth T.]

Re: 1970 ralley wheel paint

This subject comes up rather frequently... The wheels were painted 'Argent Silver' and it's known the formulation used from '67-70 had a greenish undertone. From '71 up, it's generally accepted that, while still called Argent Silver, the formulation changed and they lack the greenish undertone.

Now, getting a 'correct' shade of Argent Silver for the early cars is more of an artform than a formula... Different judges have different views as to what is 'correct' and that complicates things.

Search the archives for threads on the topic of Argent Silver and you'll find a LOT of prior discussion(s). But, be forewarned, I don't think you're going to find a UNIVERSAL agreement as to what blend method is actually 'correct'...

I attended an NCRS judging where an early 71 had very obvious green tint on the wheels. The car top flighted. My 71 is a late build, July, and has a silver color without this hint of green overtones. I wonder which will be more acceptable when my car is judged?