dealer emblem

[William G.]

I have a 1964 coupe that i bought in 1970
I had it repainted in 1985 and removed the dealer emblem from
the left rear finder.
I kept the dealer emblem .
I am finishing the frame off now.
question? Should i drill holes in the fender and put the dealer emblem
back on while i have the tire tub out or forget it.
thanks
Bill

[Michael G.]

Re: dealer emblem

I'll be careful about giving you a piece of my mind Bill as there's so little left....., wouldn't think about placing it back onto my car. It may have part of the history of the car but believe I'd just through it into the glove box should I want to rekindle that memory!

[Steven B.]

Re: dealer emblem

Mine was an adhesive backed "sticker". I put it in a clear sleeve in one of my document notebooks along with other items.

[Ken R.]

Re: dealer emblem

I remember telling my selling dealer on my 65 that if he put the dealer emblem on the car when it came in that they could keep it!!! He had put one on a car on the showroom floor as I ordered mine. So I guess you can guess my feelings about a dealer emblem on a corvette. Even now I have seen some new c-6's with a dealer emblem on rear. JMHO

[William L.]

Re: dealer emblem

I would put in my document book.

[Terry M.]

Re: dealer emblem

I told the selling dealer of my 1970 the same thing. He put it on and said take it or I'll sell the car to someone else. The dealer emblem is still there -- pits and all.

That is one nice thing (among many others) about R8C -- NCM delivery. The only sticker you get is in the door jam, and then only if you want it. They will put it in your hand if you don't want it on the car.

[Chuck L.]

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If you're thinking NCRS criteria, Would not have left the St. Louis Plant with a dealer emblem.

[Michael G.]

Re: dealer emblem

Chuck,

I'm thinkin' the dealer placed their own emblem there....not the plant.

[Jack H.]

Re: dealer emblem

But, NCRS judging standards are to evaluate the car: (1) as it was originally ordered/built, and (2) in the configuration consistent with then current dealer prep, absent any owner/dealer inspired configuration changes.

Now, we KNOW GM/Chevy did NOT pay the dealer to do some 'prep' items. Things like: (1) fill the gas tank, (2) supply a key fob, (3) add dealer advertizing emblems, (4) include floor mats, Etc. But, we know Corvette was a Chevy 'flagship' car and many dealers took pride and did these things anyway.

So, when we see a car with floor mats, we gently ask the owner to remove them instead of being a 'hard ass' and taking judging point deduction(s) for their presence. Hey, we 'could' take that view as it's the owner's responsibility to put the car on the judging field and make it 'ready' for judging...

We don't deduct for car's being present with their key punch-outs removed (IF the owner presents them separately). That too was not a GM/Chevy dealer prep item, but many dealers popped the punch-outs loose, threw in a key fob and put the punch-outs on the factory original key ring...

So, now we get down to the issue of dealer advertizing stickers, whether they be pressure sensitive adhesive or rivet attached. We're in a grey area!

Yes, by the letter of our judging rules, we should deduct for such. BUT, we already cut owners 'slack' in similar dealer prep areas... My guess is this is an issue that could be/would be treated differently by different judges at different NCRS meets.

Have we ever seen a car penalized because its tank had MORE than the factory original 2.2 gal (or whatever) fill?

[John H.]

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I don't treat it as a gray area at all - when I see one, I ignore it, as it was part of "normal dealer preparation" for many dealers in those days.

I still remember telling many salesmen back in those days that if their prep guy put their dealer emblem on my new car, they could keep the car.

[Bill I.]

Re: dealer emblem

I still won't allow them to advertize on my cars unless they pay me. You know how far that flys. So NO stickers on my cars ever. PS My late Dad was the same way, I guess that's where I learned it. Bill

[Jack H.]

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We think alike, John...I probably wouldn't deduct either. But here's why I claim it could be a grey area. This is the exact text of the NCRS Judging Standard as provided in Rule 2, Section 2 of the NCRS Judging Reference Manual.

"....Presentation for judging is to be in the condition normally associated with that of a Corvette which has undergone the then-current standard Chevrolet Dealer New Car Prepartion for delivery to a purchaser, exclusive of any dealer or purchaser inspired additions, deletions, or changes."

Both of us would be hard pressed to provide an official GM/Chevrolet document that REQUIRED all dealers to affix their dealership logo/emblem to the car! Plus, I don't think we'll find it was a GM-Dealer contractual obligation to throw in a key fob, floor mats or fill the gas tank beyond what came in the vehicle from the factory.

That's why I say it could be a 'grey' area. It depends on the specific mind set of the judge(s) one encounters during Flight Judging. A pair of 'hard arse' guys could legitimately take a deduction for this being a 'change' under the text of our rule.

Some things were required by dealer prep and others, while perhaps common/routine practive, were NOT part of the dealer's contractual obligation...

[Peter G.]

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My feelings is I like the "original" dealer plate on the Corvette. I feel it adds to the "history" of the car. I know the car did not leave the plant with this emblem plate, but if it is placed on the car with two sided tape you are NOT missing any fiberglass and have not added any fastening hardware.

In my experience I had my Corvette judged and it had a dealer plate on the car that was on with two sided tape.

The judgement from the judges: ZERO points deducted and they noted it on the judging sheet that they liked it!

I would not put the dealer emblem on with anything other than two sided tape.

I did take the dealer emblem off my car as it is a "Restored" car and the emblem did not look as nice as the car. I think if I had a "unrestored" car I would have it on.

Just my two cents.

[Jack H.]

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Judges, routinely overlook other 'changes' like cars where Zora signed here/there...

So, it's not uncommon for us to overlook some of these things. But, when you read the text of the rule and consider a 'strict' interpretation stance, it IS possible to see deduction(s) for such.

[Don L.]

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Can someone help me understand how we seem to have a collective issue with the display of a dealer emblem, and whether or not a deduct is in order, while PROMOTING the display of the NCRS decal with bonus points?

I have never allowed a dealer emblem on ANY of my cars, however, I must say that I enjoy looking at them on old cars. The retrospect of them adds to the story of the car, especially when the emblem mentions a city/state. etc. Soon (and sadly), many of these storied dealers will be extinct.