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  • Stewart A.
    Expired
    • April 16, 2008
    • 1035

    Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

    I'm in the process of pulling my T 10 apart and wondered if anyone has ever tried a really tall 4 th gear. I love the 3.70 rear but 4th at 60 mph at 3200 rpm is getting rather tiring. We tend to travel long distances here. I have fooled with changing rear ratios but that's no fun. I was wondering if an overdrive 4th is possible ? Stewy
  • Tom L.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • October 17, 2006
    • 1439

    #2
    Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

    Don't know if it is possible but my Mustang has a .68:1 5th gear ratio with 3.73's in the rear, about 2200RPM at 65MPH bit is a dog in 5TH. Down shifting means a drop to 3rd (passing by 4th, 1:1). Helps out on fuel economy but high gear is boring!! Have fun!!!

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    • Stewart A.
      Expired
      • April 16, 2008
      • 1035

      #3
      Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

      I thought 3 faster gears and a tall 4th would be ok. Overtaking might be a problem with a tall 4th. I never thought of that and changing down to 3rd might be dangerous. That's why they make a 5 speed ah. Stewy

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      • Mike M.
        NCRS Past President
        • May 31, 1974
        • 8382

        #4
        Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

        Originally posted by Stewart Allison (48922)
        I'm in the process of pulling my T 10 apart and wondered if anyone has ever tried a really tall 4 th gear. I love the 3.70 rear but 4th at 60 mph at 3200 rpm is getting rather tiring. We tend to travel long distances here. I have fooled with changing rear ratios but that's no fun. I was wondering if an overdrive 4th is possible ? Stewy
        with stock tires, a 3.7:1 rear should be running 70 MPH @ 3000 RPM. mike

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        • Stewart A.
          Expired
          • April 16, 2008
          • 1035

          #5
          Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

          Maybe my 50 year old counter is a wee bit out. It's still screaming at 60 mph though. stewy

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          • Steven B.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • June 30, 1982
            • 3989

            #6
            Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

            'easiest way to "change" the effective ratio is to put taller tires on it. what size do you have on it now?

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            • William C.
              NCRS Past President
              • May 31, 1975
              • 6037

              #7
              Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

              I've road toured my '62 just swapping a 3.36 rear gear and correcting the speedo drive gear. The T-10 case is not desiged for a overdrive 4th setup, so you would have to go to an aftermarket trans. Used 3.36 "pigs" for a solid axle are relatively easy and inexpensive to use, and it was also a gear used in many 63-67 cars.
              Bill Clupper #618

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              • Steven B.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • June 30, 1982
                • 3989

                #8
                Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

                Originally posted by William Clupper (618)
                I've road toured my '62 just swapping a 3.36 rear gear and correcting the speedo drive gear. The T-10 case is not desiged for a overdrive 4th setup, so you would have to go to an aftermarket trans. Used 3.36 "pigs" for a solid axle are relatively easy and inexpensive to use, and it was also a gear used in many 63-67 cars.
                Yep! I picked a set of 3.36's & posi from a junk yard for $35.00 recently.

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                • Stewart A.
                  Expired
                  • April 16, 2008
                  • 1035

                  #9
                  Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

                  If I use a 3.36 what would be the RPM at 60 mph then. My tires are 6.7 x 15 typical white walls. Stewy

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                  • William C.
                    NCRS Past President
                    • May 31, 1975
                    • 6037

                    #10
                    Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

                    for a quick estimate, figure 25 mph per 1000 engine rpm so 60 is about 2350
                    Bill Clupper #618

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                    • Duke W.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • January 1, 1993
                      • 15669

                      #11
                      Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

                      Originally posted by Stewart Allison (48922)
                      If I use a 3.36 what would be the RPM at 60 mph then. My tires are 6.7 x 15 typical white walls. Stewy
                      Axle ratio times tire revs/mile = revs at 60, and you can linearly proportion from this point.

                      This is an easy formula to remember.

                      Corvette OE tires from 1953 to 1982 were 760 (6.70. GR70, 225/70) or 775 revs/mile (7.75, F70, and 255/60)

                      Duke
                      Last edited by Duke W.; June 22, 2009, 01:52 AM.

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                      • Richard T.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • February 1, 1979
                        • 858

                        #12
                        Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

                        Years ago when I was in the military I drove my 340 HP 62 coast to coast a few times and installed a 3:08 for the trips. It ran around 2100 RPM @ 60 and was great on gas.
                        These rears can be changed out in an hour or less with the only expense being fluid and a fresh gasket. In my teens we would change to 4:56 s to go racing on Friday night and back to 3:70 s on Sunday evening.
                        If you travel long distances as a rule then the 3:36 or 3:55 is the way to go. Let's face it we don't really beat hell out of these cars very often any more so the deep gears are hardly missed. I built a fresh 3:55 posi for the 62 to replace the 4:11 s and someday I'll change it out. Rich

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                        • Cecil L.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • May 31, 1980
                          • 449

                          #13
                          Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

                          You could also do a muncie overdrive conversion with a new gearset and save your T-10.

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                          • Ted S.
                            Expired
                            • January 1, 1998
                            • 747

                            #14
                            Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

                            Also if you go to 3:36 you could change the T10 set to a wide ratio set verses the original close ratio. That way you'd still have some lower end for the "go fast".

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                            • John S.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • May 4, 2008
                              • 424

                              #15
                              Re: Has anyone tried a tall 4th gear

                              Stewy,

                              William Culpper's est is pretty close. I can tell you my 67 with the 3:36 gears turns right at 2700 RPM on the tach at 70 mph. I do not know how accurate my tach is, but according to my gps, I am only 1 mph off at 70 (actually 69). My car is only 300 hp (I have never ridden in a big block vette) and I can tell you even with the 3:36 gear it is still a kick to drive.

                              John Seeley
                              67 black/teal coupe
                              327/300 hp 3 speed
                              John Seeley
                              67 Black/Teal
                              300 hp 3 speed coupe
                              65 Maroon/Black
                              35k mile Fuelie coupe

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