63 horns

[Rainer S.]

I just had my 63 SWC judged at the Michigan Chapter. Missed Top Flight by 35 points . Now correcting the items I missed, so I can try for Top Flight in the future.
One item I got docked on is the horns.
The sound was acclaimed to be incorrect: "one note". I have (2) notes, I double checked them individually, when I got home. They both sound, one high, one low. How can I proof it the next time ? (Bring a pre-recording, stored on my Iphone ?-just kidding)
A second item on the horns "Pointing down". They do not point down, as shown in the AIM, and as described in the Judging Manual. They are angled toward each other.
I have them removed from the car, ready to send them back to the restorer. (I was willing to pay for making them "correct".)
When contacting the restorer (Highly recommended by the Forum members), he told me, that they are correct as they are (I believe him), the GM artwork in the manual, as well as the description in the AIM is incorrect.
Another owner with an original 63 verified to me, that the horns should not point down, rather than angled toward each other, when installed.
Is the judging manual and AIM wrong ? How can this be challenged, if I have the same issue at the next judging event ?

Rainer

[Jim V.]

Re: 63 horns

Just returned from the Wisc. regional judging 63-64 chassis. Same controversy there. Leave them the way you got em. Sooner or later there will be enough pressure on the folks responsible for the TIM&JG. Pick your battles...the 1 or two points is not worth it....

[Rick A.]

Re: 63 horns

for 1963, actually, the way they should be mounted is at the 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock position, which mean they are pointed outboard!

BTW - the way the manual/pictures and AIM/pictures describe the horn mounting is for 1964

[Jim V.]

Re: 63 horns

Hi Rick....Enjoyed the experience Friday! Now know better to own a 63....way too controversial.

JimV

[John D.]

Re: 63 horns

Rainer, The correct way to have the 63 horns mounted is this. They should be facing one another. Refer to June 19, 2008. Tuning horns and norn mounting.
In looking at the aims just don't look on the page titled. "Parking, Dir sign lamps and horn". If you do you will be confused for sure. Go to the next page, :Engine wiring hanress and horn relay. Notice nice 63 RH horn pointing inward!!! Alshire please take note of this. Also note that this subject has been talked about extensively. Yours truly has made it a passion to check every original 63 I can and not one of them has the horns mounting facing in the opposite direction. If you see a 63 like that it means bubba has been at it once again.
Now I have a question. Is the RH horn a 456 or a 455? I can't see the numbers on my 63 horns as lost my mag lite. JD

[Tom H.]

Re: 63 horns

I was just having this same discussion with a friend and fellow member as we were looking over my 63 a couple of weeks ago. He mentioned my horn mounting may not be correct. Turns out they may be right after all.

I seem to have missed past disussions on this subject. Finally ! Something on my car that might actually be right that I don't need to fix !

[Harry S.]

Re: 63 horns

This is a picture of a Pilot Line 63. Check out the horns. Not a match to the JG for 63's. Looks like the 64 picture.

[Tom H.]

Re: 63 horns

Good picture !

[Jim V.]

Re: 63 horns

A very credible argument for a 4-5:00 o'clock position on the Pass. side horn flute. Now....where are the TJM&JG boys?

[Harry S.]

Re: 63 horns

If you believe that this is the correct positions of the horns, as I do, mount them this way. Bring the picture with you the next time you have it judged.

[Chris E.]

Re: 63 horns

What was the total point deduct for the horns? As Jim said, maybe better to chase another point somewhere else.

[Rainer S.]

Re: 63 horns

Total point deduction was : 2 points for "not pointed down" in Chassis, front valance section. (besides 6 for operation: "one note", . had 2 notes...)

Good point about taking pic with me next time (along with my Iphone recording of the horns)

Rainer

[Carl A.]

Re: 63 horns

I have investegated the horn position as well, in Wichita, Ks I know of two low milage original cars that have never been rebuilt or dissasembled and both of them have the horns pointed inward towards each other at the 5 and 7 positions with the 456 on the right and the 455 on the left, just the opposite of the assembly manual and the same as the judging manual states. I do not understand why the NCRS cannot get this matter straight, and no one should have to give up a point or two especially when they are going against their own judging manual to get it wrong.

[Todd B.]

Re: 63 horns

Here's a photo of an unrestored '63 in the 193XX VIN range that was being judged at the national meet in Charlotte:

[Chuck G.]

Re: 63 horns

Now I have a question. Is the RH horn a 456 or a 455? I can't see the numbers on my 63 horns as lost my mag lite. JD

Usually the even numbers are RT side, the odd numbers are LT side.

Chuck