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  • Brandon T.
    Very Frequent User
    • October 23, 2008
    • 872

    here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

    100% sure it isn't the original engine but what does these numbers indicate that it came out of.

    on the pad the numbers are CLA19406229XTC and below this number on the pad is B8324.
  • William C.
    NCRS Past President
    • May 31, 1975
    • 6037

    #2
    Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

    What is the casting number and date (rear of the block)
    Bill Clupper #618

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    • Wayne W.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • April 30, 1982
      • 3605

      #3
      Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

      Originally posted by Brandon Thompson (49614)
      100% sure it isn't the original engine but what does these numbers indicate that it came out of.

      on the pad the numbers are CLA19406229XTC and below this number on the pad is B8324.
      1968 Playboy Limo. Note the suffix "XTC".

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      • Garry B.
        Very Frequent User
        • December 31, 1990
        • 660

        #4
        Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

        Originally posted by Wayne Womble (5569)
        1968 Playboy Limo. Note the suffix "XTC".
        Now that's funny!
        Garry 18531
        Garry Barnes #18531
        '67 Lynndale Blue Coupe- National TF, BG
        ​'67 Sunfire Yellow Coupe- 4 Star Bowtie,


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        • Karl L.
          Expired
          • January 31, 1977
          • 174

          #5
          Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

          Brandon,
          In Corvette By The Numbers 1955-82.
          I found a reference to CLA in the Suffix Number
          Usually these letters would be found after the Stamped numbers.
          Example: 000000CLA

          1973 Engine Code Suffix Identification
          Engine Horsepower Transmission, Options Suffix
          350cu. 190 Turbohydromatic 400 CLA

          1974 Engine Code Suffix Indentification
          Engine Horsepower Transmission, Options Suffix
          350cu. 195 Tubrohydromatic CLA

          Quoting Bill Clupper: Get the GM Casting and Cast Date Code Numbers off the back side of the Block. GM Casting Numbers...back side just under
          the head...Drivers Side
          Cast Date...back side just under the head...Passenger Side.

          It shows a block number: GM 3970010
          1969 to 1979 Corvette 350cu. w/various Horsepower and Mains.
          This might help you???

          As for the X letter, they may be right....1968 Playboy Limo

          Karl.

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          • Brandon T.
            Very Frequent User
            • October 23, 2008
            • 872

            #6
            Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

            Got the number off the drivers side back of the block it is: 3959532

            couldn't see the date good enough to make it out I'll get it later. That help any?

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            • William C.
              NCRS Past President
              • May 31, 1975
              • 6037

              #7
              Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

              3959532 was primarily a '64 283 block, also used in some CE replacement engines.
              Bill Clupper #618

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              • John H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • November 30, 1997
                • 16513

                #8
                Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

                Originally posted by Brandon Thompson (49614)
                Got the number off the drivers side back of the block it is: 3959532

                couldn't see the date good enough to make it out I'll get it later. That help any?
                That's a 283 block, but I don't know what the usage was; the pad stamps don't meet any known factory format - they're probably a rebuilder's code.

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                • Brandon T.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • October 23, 2008
                  • 872

                  #9
                  Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

                  Yeah, I know John..that long vin looking number is weird! not sure about the B numbering under it tho that looks factory to me.
                  Last edited by Brandon T.; June 4, 2009, 07:47 PM.

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                  • Brandon T.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • October 23, 2008
                    • 872

                    #10
                    Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

                    the date code on the passenger side back is D280

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                    • William C.
                      NCRS Past President
                      • May 31, 1975
                      • 6037

                      #11
                      Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

                      It looks most likely it was a service engine or shortblock from 1960 era.
                      Bill Clupper #618

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                      • Karl L.
                        Expired
                        • January 31, 1977
                        • 174

                        #12
                        Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

                        Brandon,
                        Bill Clupper is right about your cast number.
                        A friend of mine looked at numbers on the Internet somewhere and
                        your block number GM 3959532 is listed as a short block for the
                        years: 1956 to 1967 283cu.
                        Cast Date Code D280 = April 28, 1960
                        Who ever stamped the the front boss is probably the only one who
                        knew what it meant.

                        I was supprised to see that the GM # also included the 1956 year
                        as a 283cu. motor. I wasn't aware that there was a 283cu. in a 1956
                        Passenger car or a Vette.
                        I knew there were 265cu. and 283cu. motors in Passenger Cars in 1957.
                        !957 Cars were in the Dealerships in September 1956.

                        Of course GM usually brought all their New Models out in the previous September of every year.

                        Karl.

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                        • Cecil L.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • May 31, 1980
                          • 449

                          #13
                          Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

                          The 39595XX series castings came out after small journal blocks were no longer being used in production vehicles. They were part of the CE replacement engine/short/fitted blocks to service the 67 and older small journal engine needs. They are usually found with CE codes and I believe they began in 68 so I suspect the date code you provided is 1970, not 1960.

                          3959512 regular small journal 327
                          3959532 regular small journal 283
                          3959534 Chevy II small journal 283 recessed oil filter
                          3959538 Chevy II small jlournal 327 recessed oil filter

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                          • Karl L.
                            Expired
                            • January 31, 1977
                            • 174

                            #14
                            Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

                            Cecil,
                            What my friend brought up on the Internet showed a bunch of
                            GM numbers and what they applied to.
                            It showed GM 3959532 as 56-67 283cu. I don't think it said anywhere that they were produced in 1968.
                            I assume that CE means Corvette Engine?

                            I'l try to find out tomorrow where he brought the info up on the Internet.
                            I didn't pay attention how he got into it. I did read it on the screen.

                            Karl.

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                            • Cecil L.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • May 31, 1980
                              • 449

                              #15
                              Re: here is the engine pad number off my 58..what did the engine come out of?

                              Originally posted by Karl Litzner (1264)
                              Cecil,
                              What my friend brought up on the Internet showed a bunch of
                              GM numbers and what they applied to.
                              It showed GM 3959532 as 56-67 283cu. I don't think it said anywhere that they were produced in 1968.
                              I assume that CE means Corvette Engine?

                              I'l try to find out tomorrow where he brought the info up on the Internet.
                              I didn't pay attention how he got into it. I did read it on the screen.

                              Karl.
                              Karl,
                              There are a lot of references out there that are rather general in application and lacking specifics. Mortec is a fairly good example. Many simply parrot what some parts crossreferences list for application without considering what its specific application is and with many errors. The 3959532 would , in fact service any small journal engine from 55-67 but was intended to service 57-67, since those were the years for the 283 engine in factory application. After 67, the small journal engines were no longer being produced for installation in production vehicles but GM still needed to service the engines to support the warranties still in effect as well as other service applications. The large journal engines could be retrofitted to work, but it would involve some changes to the original application configuration especially in regard to the crankcase vent system. I'm sure there were other considerations, but I believe those are the most obvious. I don't fully understand why they didn't just continue using the last (67) casting numbers for service blocks, but for some reason they issued these new casting numbers for the replacement small journal blocks and I'm not aware of any casting changes other than the number itself.
                              Maybe John Hinkley or some of the other more knowlegeable guys can explain it better. My research into this came about as a result of the 69 dated 3959538 CE 327 350hp L79 engine in my 67 Nova which, I believe was installed under warranty. I also have a CE 3959532 casting 283 in my 58 Corvette. it also has a 69 casting date. I have pics of an NOS 3959534 Chevy II crate longblock with perfect inspection paint markings on the bare casting.
                              There is more info in previous threads on the CE engine program.

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