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  • Fred D.
    Expired
    • January 27, 2009
    • 41

    C3 (1972) Problem - Wiper Door Cover Pinching on Close

    I am having 2 problems and need help. I've spent hours and hours searching the TDB archives and hours and hours and hour working on the car. I suspect the problems are likely related and are as follows:

    1.When I turn off the wipers, the wiper door cover shuts immediately and pinches the wipers before they park (their sticking out once the door shuts). I've played with the positioning on the Safety Valve so that's not it. As a matter of fact, I can make sure the switch doesn’t close, but the wiper door still does. I went as far as to move one of the headlight relay valves to the wiper, but the same problem persists.

    2.The pneumatic wiper door control (next to the wiper override switch) doesn't work either. With the car on and the wipers off, the pneumatic wiper door control does nothing when pulled. When the wipers are running it causes the wiper door to immediately close on the wipers where ever they happen to be in their travel.


    Parts Replaced:I have been reading the troubleshooting document posted in this archive and think I may have narrowed it down to the vacuum reservoir leaking off:
    https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...+door&uid=7932

    Here is some vacuum data taken at cluster side (not the reservoir side) of the Bypass Check Valve (shown in the attached picture). The small hose was pulled on the Bypass Check Valve and the gauge was plugged right into the nipple of the valve.

    Dscf3224 (1008 x 756).jpg

    Engine Running 18 in Hg
    Engine Off 18 in Hg @ t = 0 seconds
    Engine Off 8 in Hg @ t = 20 seconds
    Engine Off 0 in Hg @ t = 75 seconds

    You can see the vacuum leaks off 10 inches in 20 seconds – is this excessive? In an archive post I read earlier it said one should be able to open and close the headlight doors a few times before the reservoir is depleted. I can only open them once, then the reservoir is depleted and I can’t even close them.

    Question:
    Does my logic make sense that the reservoir is leaking too fast? How can I test (or have I already). Is a replacement available? Next steps or suggestions?
    Last edited by Fred D.; May 23, 2009, 09:38 PM. Reason: Add Picture
  • Patrick H.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • December 1, 1989
    • 11616

    #2
    Re: C3 (1972) Problem - Wiper Door Cover Pinching on Close

    Fred,

    Did you inspect and/or test the white filter and the silver valve I mentioned in a previous e-mail?

    Patrick
    Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
    71 "deer modified" coupe
    72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
    2008 coupe
    Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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    • Fred D.
      Expired
      • January 27, 2009
      • 41

      #3
      Re: C3 (1972) Problem - Wiper Door Cover Pinching on Close

      Patrick,

      I changed both with the Paragon part listed above. BTW- thanks for all our previous help. Your a real asset to the members here.

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      • Patrick H.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • December 1, 1989
        • 11616

        #4
        Re: C3 (1972) Problem - Wiper Door Cover Pinching on Close

        OK, Ok.
        I knew you'd replaced at least the other two parts.

        The only other part you haven't replaced is the valve that lives on the backside of the right front wheelwell. If you don't have AC it's by the windshield washer bottle.

        Take a look at the Doc's picture to see it:

        Web catalog of 700+ pages, 1000+ illustrations, 12,000+ Corvette restoration parts available mail order. Dr Rebuild Corvette Products manufacturing & distributing parts for 1953-1982 models for 22 years.


        You can relatively easily test these valves, too.
        Also, if you can see the Doc's picture take a look at the T under the dash where the hose splits to the wiper door and to the headlight switch. You may want to disconnect the line to the headlight switch (and plug the line) to isolate the wiper door circuit and see if you problems stay or go away.

        Make sense?

        Good troubleshooter guides like the one sold by Doc Rebuild are so useful for these cars.

        Patrick
        Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
        71 "deer modified" coupe
        72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
        2008 coupe
        Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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        • Bryan M.
          Expired
          • April 1, 1999
          • 386

          #5
          Re: C3 (1972) Problem - Wiper Door Cover Pinching on Close

          Fred,
          Also, if possible, try to buy some A/C Delco valves. I pulled my hair out chasing wiper/headlight problems only to discover that the new reproduction valves I had bought were the culprit because they leaked from the get go. I finally snagged a couple of NOS valves.

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          • Fred D.
            Expired
            • January 27, 2009
            • 41

            #6
            Re: C3 (1972) Problem - Wiper Door Cover Pinching on Close

            Someone please tell me where this vacuum line goes (center counsel I suspect, but couldn't find it). It is the main source of my vacuum reservoir leak.

            Vacuum Leak #2 MSPAINT(1008 x 756).jpg

            There was another smaller leak at the vacuum reservoir shown here (which I fixed).

            Vacuum Leak #1 MSPAINT(600 x 450).jpg

            The final leak was the Wiper Solenoid (on tach). It leaked when I keyed off. I suspect that the one I bought on ebay is bad, as is my original one. Does anyone know which way it should pass air when on, and which way when off?

            When I had the Wiper Solenoid removed and the hosed joined together, the wiper cover door worked (except that the logic was inverted - Switch Disengaged -> Cover Open, Switch Engaged -> Cover Closed).

            For those who care, I verified that the headlight relay valves hold tight (no leaks), but the wiper relay valve leaks ever so slightly. I think I'll fix the other things first and swap with a headlight valve if needed (at lease until I resolve the leak and solenoid issues above).

            Are we having fun yet

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            • Fred D.
              Expired
              • January 27, 2009
              • 41

              #7
              Re: C3 (1972) Problem - Wiper Door Cover Pinching on Close

              Bryan,

              Thanks for sharing. Can you share where you got them (PM/Email is ok) and how long ago it was (maybe it was a process problem and it is long resolved).

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              • Jack H.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • April 1, 1990
                • 9906

                #8
                Re: C3 (1972) Problem - Wiper Door Cover Pinching on Close

                Do you have a copy of the applicable CSM (Chevrolet Chassis Service Manual)? There's a section in it devoted to the Corvette WSW system with vacuum diagram and theory of operation...

                If you read it, you'll see the system has a built-in safe guard against the wiper door closing before the wiper arms are parked. That's the vac switch in the cowl that the RH wiper arm sits on when it's reached its final parked position...

                So, I'd start troubleshooting there to find out why the vacuum park switch 'thinks' the wipers have reached their final rest position... I'd suspect 'Bubba' may have done some jury rigging on your car!

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                • Bryan M.
                  Expired
                  • April 1, 1999
                  • 386

                  #9
                  Re: C3 (1972) Problem - Wiper Door Cover Pinching on Close

                  Originally posted by Fred Dunford (49908)
                  Bryan,

                  Thanks for sharing. Can you share where you got them (PM/Email is ok) and how long ago it was (maybe it was a process problem and it is long resolved).
                  I've picked up 3 A/C Delco valves on ebay.
                  It's been within the last several years. Hopefully, the newer repros work better.

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