Yet another Frame Stencil Question

[Jim S.]

This is a quote from Michael Hanson:

"For later 66, and for the next several years, the part number stencil included the date. That would have been put on at the frame source, not the St Louis plant so it would be at minimum one and possibly several days before the body date."


I just recived my frame stencil from Quanta for my "66".
The date of my AO Smith Body is April 25 (Trim Tag I 25)

The date Quanta (The supposed Experts) gave me on my Stencil is April 8 66.

Isn't that way too early!

And , if it has the date should that eliminate The Crayon (Pull Date )?

Confused as ever !

Jim Schwering

[Stephen L.]

Re: Yet another Frame Stencil Question

Jim,

My 67 St Louis car has a body trim date of 4/10 with a frame stencil date of 4/7. These are original dates.

IMHO I think the date provided by Quanta is too early, in fact the frame date could be AFTER the body date based on the duration on my car between frame and body dates, which would allow for shipping time of the AO SMITH body to St Louis.

Again, IMHO, there should not be a crayon date, if there is a date incorporated in the stencil.

[Gary B.]

Yet another Frame Stencil Question

Jim,

I've talked with Quanta about their stencils and I was told that they have a database of photos of original frames showing the stencil and they have the VINs for those cars. When they get a request for a stencil they go to their database and estimate the frame date based on your VIN and the closest VIN in their databases. I wouldn't worry about the date difference. What judge could ever take a deduct based on their opinion that the date spread it too large? The benefit of the doubt is supposed to go to the owner.

If you really think you know more than Quanta does, you can ask them to remake the stencil with whatever date you tell them, but I would go with what Quanta's database tells them. Who knows what quirks happened with frames, etc., during the 1 to 2 week time period surrounding the building of your car.

Gary

[Jim S.]

Re: Yet another Frame Stencil Question

Stephen,

Thanks for the example and your HO on the crayon!

Gary,

I know I don't know more then Quanta, but I fiqured Mike Hanson and others here on this board do ! You are probably right that it can't be dinged since nobody knows for sure. However I think several might question an 18 day lag , based on what Stephen just told me !

Thanks for your response also !

Jim

[Gary B.]

Yet another Frame Stencil Question

Gary,

I know I don't know more then Quanta, but I fiqured Mike Hanson and others here on this board do ! You are probably right that it can't be dinged since nobody knows for sure. However I think several might question an 18 day lag , based on what Stephen just told me !

Thanks for your response also !

Jim

First, I think it will be a rare event for any judge to comment on the 18-day lag. But even if that were to happen, would that judge take a deduct thinking he or she is "certain" that the date is wrong? I very much doubt that will ever happen.

At chapter meets when I just chassis, all I really look for is the presence of the stencil. You might contact a few of the national judges for your year and ask what they look for.

Gary

[Jim S.]

Re: Yet another Frame Stencil Question

Gary ,

I know you are probably correct ! I can't believe we get this involved in the little things ! But two adages come to mind " In for a penny in for a pound" and "You are never going to get this chance again".

Thanks again,

Jim