Engine oil (again)

[Sander B.]

reading all the treads abouth engine oils and the use of CJ-4 marked oils
but over here in europe they dont use these markings (at least it seems so )

Duke do you have also some knowledge on what markings/codes they use in europe ?

or should i go with an additive ?

thank you Sander,

[Duke W.]

Re: Engine oil (again)

Europe doesn't use API ratings, but most oils carry equivalent ratings for the specific rating system used in whatever part of the world you are in.

In any event you want to use the most current or next to most current oil rated for diesel engines in the Euro Zone.

I have a jug of 15W-40 CJ-4 (I won't say the brand because it's not important) that is also rated ACEA E7 and E5.

Since about 40 percent of all new cars sold in Europe are diesel, you shouldn't have any trouble finding the latest ACEA rated diesel engine oils, and the packaging might also include API ratings if you look real close.

Also, the major manufacturers have good product data sheets on their products that include all the various ratings used in different markets. Most of their products will meet the different major rating system used in the civilized world.

Some links were provided in a recent thread, but google works good too.

Duke

[Sander B.]

Re: Engine oil (again)

Thank you Duke i will check on it !!!

[Sander B.]

Re: Engine oil (again)

Europe doesn't use API ratings, but most oils carry equivalent ratings for the specific rating system used in whatever part of the world you are in.

In any event you want to use the most current or next to most current oil rated for diesel engines in the Euro Zone.

I have a jug of 15W-40 CJ-4 (I won't say the brand because it's not important) that is also rated ACEA E7 and E5.

Since about 40 percent of all new cars sold in Europe are diesel, you shouldn't have any trouble finding the latest ACEA rated diesel engine oils, and the packaging might also include API ratings if you look real close.

Also, the major manufacturers have good product data sheets on their products that include all the various ratings used in different markets. Most of their products will meet the different major rating system used in the civilized world.

Some links were provided in a recent thread, but google works good too.

Duke

Duke i was searching the internet and found some oils from castrol (wich are available locally)

would like your opinion on these 2 oils they offer

one is the Classic XL 30 http://datasheets.bp.com/bpglis/lubt...E?OpenDocument

the other is the Classic XL 20w50

http://datasheets.bp.com/bpglis/lubtds.nsf/technicaldata/EFD6B16DB69FA76380256EE8003D5704?OpenDocument

thank you in advance
Sander,

[Duke W.]

Re: Engine oil (again)

The first one is API SB!!! That's equivalent to a 1950s non-detergent engine oil!

The second one is SE/CC, which are 35 plus year old obsolete specifications.

Forget all this "classic car oil" marketing bu...l sh...t, and just buy a readily available ACEA E7 or E8 oil. E9 is on the way, but may not be in stores yet.

E7/E8 are approximately equivalent to API CI-4/CI-4 Plus and E9 will be essentially the same as CJ-4. Most C-category national brands brands marketed in the USA are certified to multiple systems and list the ACEA spec as a secondary certification. European ACEA oils may also list the applicable API certification.

Likely what is sold in Europe as ACEA E7, E8, and E9 is the same as the contents over here with a first listed category of CI-4, CI-4 Plus, and CJ-4, respectively, with just different packaging for the different markets.

Why don't you go shopping in a store for some ACEA E7, E8, and E9 oils and tell us what you find - the make/brands, viscosity, ACEA certification, and what API certifications, if any, that are listed in the fine print on the labels (Take your reading glasses with you.)

You can take the lead in finding proper, readily available, and reasonably priced engine oils for the guys in Europe who own vintage Corvettes - in fact - any similar vintage European classic, too.

Duke

[Roald P.]

Re: Engine oil (again)

Where in Europe are you from? In Denmark we can buy a modified castrol oil with extra ZDDP

http://castrolshop.dk/shop/vantage-v67s-20w-557p.html

Here is a not perfekt automated google translation of the product description

Vantage V67S 20w/50 - 5 ltr
Vantage has developed this oil to satisfy the doubts that have arisen around the engine oil wear protective effects on classic engines with flat tappets.

On each rotation of the cams will oil film briefly be squeezed out between the cam and cam follows. The oils anti wear additives should be forming a protective surface to prevent erosion of metal surfaces on the cam and cam follows. Wearing problem increases with increasing pressure on the cam consequences - that is sharper cam, the bigger valves, the harder valve springs, the greater the pressure and the more wear.

The problem is greatest at relatively high performance engines and on push rod engines with mechanical lifters but occurs also in engines with hydraulic lifters and overhead cam shaft. On more modern engines eliminate the problem through other valve, the second material and lower pressure of valve lift.

Part of the anti-wear additives are assembled in a carefully balanced package of zinc, phosphorus and sulfur over divider that reduces friction and wear. The package is often called ZDDP.

For reasons of pollution of catalysts API years ago lowered the maximum content of ZDDP in engine oils classified API - it really covers all the available motor oils in the European market.

The content of anti-wear additives in Castrol Classic oils is entirely up to the limit set by the API, while modern fuel efficient oils are far below. Castrol Classic XL 20w/50 the same time a very thick and strong oil film for increased protection.

There has been much discussion among engine builders on the existing API limits provide sufficient wear protection on the classic engines as described above. There is not really any clear evidence of the problem, so we are content to note that there are justifiable doubts sown about the level of anti-slidadditiver, these engines need.

To doubt the meeting, we have developed "Vantage V67S" which is a modified classical 20w/50 mineral oil with high content of anti-wear additives. The content of the wear protective additives is thus brought into line with the most hard-wearing motor oils from the 60s and 70s.

Because of the high levels of wear protective additives, the oil is not classified by the API rules - and the oil may never be used in an engine with a catalyst.

[Sander B.]

Re: Engine oil (again)

The first one is API SB!!! That's equivalent to a 1950s non-detergent engine oil!

The second one is SE/CC, which are 35 plus year old obsolete specifications.

Forget all this "classic car oil" marketing bu...l sh...t, and just buy a readily available ACEA E7 or E8 oil. E9 is on the way, but may not be in stores yet.

E7/E8 are approximately equivalent to API CI-4/CI-4 Plus and E9 will be essentially the same as CJ-4. Most C-category national brands brands marketed in the USA are certified to multiple systems and list the ACEA spec as a secondary certification. European ACEA oils may also list the applicable API certification.

Likely what is sold in Europe as ACEA E7, E8, and E9 is the same as the contents over here with a first listed category of CI-4, CI-4 Plus, and CJ-4, respectively, with just different packaging for the different markets.

Why don't you go shopping in a store for some ACEA E7, E8, and E9 oils and tell us what you find - the make/brands, viscosity, ACEA certification, and what API certifications, if any, that are listed in the fine print on the labels (Take your reading glasses with you.)

You can take the lead in finding proper, readily available, and reasonably priced engine oils for the guys in Europe who own vintage Corvettes - in fact - any similar vintage European classic, too.

Duke

Hi Duke is did some resource

and found a Q8 oil T750 15w40
with the follow specs. API CI-4/SL and ACEA E7. E5, E3, B4, B3, A3

its an industrial diesel oil from this brand
what do you think ?

thanks Sander,

[Duke W.]

Re: Engine oil (again)

I would use that one. Others with the same certifications may be cheaper, so I'd just buy on price.

Duke

[Sander B.]

Re: Engine oil (again)

I would use that one. Others with the same certifications may be cheaper, so I'd just buy on price.

Duke