Judging question - 1972 front license bracket

[Jerome P.]

The 70/72 TIMJG manual stated on page 38 as follows: "When the dealer installed license plate during new car preparation, the bag was discarded. Therefore, the absence of a bag is not cause for deduction. Two screws must either be holding the license on or in the bag."

I live in a state that does not require a front license to be installed on the car and the bag is long gone. What is my solution install the screws on the bracket absent the license plate or just leave them loose and show them to the the exterior judge when he views the front license plate frame?

Jerry

[Bill I.]

Re: Judging question - 1972 front license bracket

Put the screws on the bracket. Bill.

[Don L.]

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Good question. Thanks for asking, Jerome.

It causes me to ask a follow up question on a car that is in a state that does not require a front-mounted plate. To best display the frame AND screws, is it appropriate to "add" a plate, such as the standard white NCRS vanity plate? I need to know whether or not I should/should not remove my NCRS plate from the front frame for judging.

[Jerome P.]

Re: Judging question - 1972 front license bracket

I am following Bill's advice and installing the screws in the license plate bracket absent a plate. The car is being judged this weekend. I will be keeping my figures crossed.

[Don L.]

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Right, but what are you gonna do with the front frame? I was lookng for the best way to display all together, so I don't have a separate frame AND a set of screws in the bracket without a plate...

[Peter G.]

Re: Judging question - 1972 front license bracket

I would put the plastic inserts in the front bracket, put a NCRS plate or a Chevrolet USA-1 plate in the stainless steel frame and then put it all together with the cad slotted screws on the car.

That is what I would do and I would think you should NOT lose any points.

[Jerome P.]

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The manual says ...."If not installed on the car, then the frame should be shown to the exterior judges" I will probably just lay it in the luggage compartment and tell the judges that I have the front frame and where it is.

[Peter G.]

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So Jerome, you are saying that you would have everything else installed on the car except the frame? If you didn't have a plate in the delivery state you would not have a bracket, but I believe another grill piece where the license plate bracket would be.

No Front license plate state: 4 screws in brown bag with lettering and 2 stainless steel brackets and front grill piece.

I don't think the judges would want a combination of the two on the front. It should be one way or the other. Not half on the car and half in the car?

That is what I would expect if I was judging your car.

[Steven B.]

Re: Judging question - 1972 front license bracket

The 70/72 TIMJG manual stated on page 38 as follows: "When the dealer installed license plate during new car preparation, the bag was discarded. Therefore, the absence of a bag is not cause for deduction. Two screws must either be holding the license on or in the bag."

I live in a state that does not require a front license to be installed on the car and the bag is long gone. What is my solution install the screws on the bracket absent the license plate or just leave them loose and show them to the the exterior judge when he views the front license plate frame?

Jerry

I assume (I know, dangerous to do.) that the judge(s) would need to know which states required 1 or 2 plates and to which state the car was delivered. 'Not gonna happen.

[Peter G.]

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Steven, I think most MJ judges do know this. You can count the number of states that have only one plate on one hand. What state the car was originally purchased in? Only paperwork would tell you that. And a lot of these cars do have some pretty good paper trails with them.

[Jerome P.]

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It is my understanding all 1972 Corvetttes were delivered from the factory with an installed front license plate bracket regardless of the requiremnets of anyone state.

I have never heard of a supllemental grill piece that could be installed on cars delivered in states that did not require a front plate. I am not disarggeing with you I just do not know.

Does anyone know the answer?

[Jerome P.]

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See the following link.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_states_require_only_one_license_plate

I did not realize it, but there are 19 states that do not require front plates.

[Patrick H.]

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I know that they all have the grille piece.

It is a common misconception that it was an "either-or" of the bracket or the center grille section, mostly because it's hard to see the center grille section when the license plate bracket is in piece. However, every car left St. Louis with the center grille piece installed.

Check the AIM - it will tell you where the license plate bracket was placed when the car was built.

Patrick

[Don L.]

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Sorry if I've made this a complicated discussion, however, it's an interesting one and it's something I have been thinking about for quite some time.

The issue of ANY plate, be it a license plate, vanity plate, etc, seems to me to be a bit tricky. I believe the judging standard is the way the car left the factory. That tells me that all screws and both frames should be packed with the car - not installed on the car. Now, that shifts focus to how license plates should be seen in judging. All states have license plates on the rear. Some have plates on the front too. If the frame and screws are installed on the rear, securing the license plate on the car, what makes the most sense for the front? What if a car was first registered in a state that required plates on front and rear, then moved to a state that required only on the rear? What if the car resides in a state that once required front and rear, then, as a cost saver, moved to rear only? I'm in a state (Michigan) that requires license plate on rear only. It wasn't always that way. I have a front frame (my white NCRS plate is currently in it) and OEM screws (in the OEM envelope). What's best for this situation, considering everything that's been discussed in this thread and what's in the JG? I started by asking if it would be appropriate to have a NCRS plate in the front frame and installed on the car for judging. Now I'm wondering if I shouldn't take the license plate off the rear and pack 2 frames and 4 screws inside the car. Whew...

[Jerome P.]

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I agree they all had the center grill piece. The centergrill piece is set further back in relation to the front of the car then the left and right grill pieces and behind the license plate bracket. However, I also believe they all came with a front license plate bracket installed regardless of the state they were being delivered to.

Therefore, I asked the question possed in the first message of this thread. -------------

""The 70/72 TIMJG manual stated on page 38 as follows: "When the dealer installed license plate during new car preparation, the bag was discarded. Therefore, the absence of a bag is not cause for deduction. Two screws must either be holding the license on or in the bag."

I live in a state that does not require a front license to be installed on the car and the bag is long gone. What is my solution install the screws on the bracket absent the license plate or just leave them loose and show them to the the exterior judge when he views the front license plate frame?""

Am I wrong about my assumption that all cars came with the license plate bracket installed?