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  • Gerard F.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • June 30, 2004
    • 3803

    There's a new cam in town

    Don't worry Duke, I'm not talking about the cam in the engine.

    I'm talking about the cam in my 67 signal switch. Now that I have my second replacement switch installed and operating (as well as praying it will last), I thought I'd play around with my original switch and do a little article on the 67 signal switch, and it's cam, which is the guts of the switch.

    Probably a good example of cost cutting, the Boyne signal switch used in 67 (and 68) Corvettes (as well as other GM cars through 69) was prone to mechanical failure and electrical problems. New in 67, it included the lane change feature, whereby one would just slightly hold the signal lever for a left or right lane change without having to turn the wheel to cancel the signal. It also incorporated the hazard flasher within the switch.

    This switch by the 67 Chassis Service Manual was a non-repairable item. If you had a problem with it and took it for dealer service, they would just cut the ribbon cable at the connector at the base of the steering column, pull the old one out and toss it, and then thread a new one down the steering column.

    But no, not this kid. I just couldn't bear cutting that cable on a original switch (also thinking about the cost of an NOS switch today). So with a little extra time, it was easy with a small screwdriver to remove the cable from the connector and pull it through the steering column. After doing this two to three times, I can now replace a signal switch, start to finish within a half hour.

    Here's my original switch, showing what I think is the usual problem:





    In the picture, the cam on the right has been removed from the switch (it just pryes off from the back side). As you can see, the two parts of the cam which hold the signal lever for a turn, and then cancel the signal, have broken off. The two metal spring strips are the lane change feature. They fit in a slot on the switch body, between the cam and the switch body.

    If you spend a little time with an ohmmeter, and try to trace out the circuits, you'll realize that it has a pretty complicated circuit topology (as Jack H. would say). It has 4 input circuits, 3 of which go through the cam. Everything is hardwired or sealed on the switch, except the cam.
    Being somewhat open, subject to wear and intrusion of dirt, the cam is the likely suspect for problems with the switch.

    About two years ago, I figured I'd finally fix my original switch with a replacement cam from one of the usual Corvette vendors. The white plastic cam (with the markings SM-15), looked somewhat like the original cam. But after carefully soldering and heat shrinking the wires, and then carefully installing it while on the car, it didn't work. So I pulled the original switch off, and put on a repro.

    Then a year and a half later, the repro went out. Seems I left the hazard flasher on too long, and the plastic around one of the contacts in the cam melted. So I put another repro switch on.

    So I figured it's all in the cam, and began researching the cams. Finally found that Shee Marr corporation was just beginning production on a new cam produced from the original Boyne switch molds. So I ordered a couple to experiment with. It's the new SM-15 and it is red.

    Here's a photo of the three cams:





    The white one at the top is the one that didn't work. The main problem that I saw with it was the overall thickness of the cam and bosses on the underside, about a sixteenth in difference from the the original. Note in the picture, that the lane change spring strips are in position on the switch body.

    The red one is the new SM-15. I haven't installed it yet but other than being red, it is almost exactly like the original:





    So, tomorrow's another day. Stay tuned.

    Having fun,
    Last edited by Gerard F.; December 28, 2008, 01:48 AM.
    Jerry Fuccillo
    1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968
  • Gerard F.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • June 30, 2004
    • 3803

    #2
    Re: There's a new cam in town

    Sorry guys, they must have maxed me out with photos. So I used my photosite in addition to uploading to the NCRS site. You might see double the photos in the above post.
    Jerry Fuccillo
    1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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    • Timothy B.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • April 30, 1983
      • 5178

      #3
      Re: There's a new cam in town

      Great work Jerry, I am sure it will work out for you. I did not even know there is a replacement cam available for the switch. The question is weather you are going to install the original switch back in the car. I probably would!!

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      • Duke W.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • December 31, 1992
        • 15629

        #4
        Re: There's a new cam in town

        Excellent research and documentation! I look forward to your article in The Corvette Restorer.

        A lane change feature is something I would really like in my SWC, but I doubt if the '67 turn signal mechanism could be easily adapted to an earlier model. Do you have any idea about this?

        Duke

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        • Gerard F.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • June 30, 2004
          • 3803

          #5
          Re: There's a new cam in town

          Tim,

          Here's the new cam:



          They tell me at Shee-Mar that this is the new SM-15, which replaces the the old white one (which didn't work). It is so new that it isn't on their website yet. They have a different cam shown for the 67 application.
          You have to call them to get the new one. They will also sell you a complete new switch which is cast from the Boyne molds. But also in red.

          However, don't go out and buy one yet for your 67. Let me get it tested out first. If it works, I intend to put my original switch back on the car for sure.
          Attached Files
          Jerry Fuccillo
          1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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          • Gerard F.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • June 30, 2004
            • 3803

            #6
            Re: There's a new cam in town

            Here's the thumbnails which go with the post above.
            Attached Files
            Jerry Fuccillo
            1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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            • Gerard F.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • June 30, 2004
              • 3803

              #7
              Re: There's a new cam in town

              Originally posted by Duke Williams (22045)

              A lane change feature is something I would really like in my SWC, but I doubt if the '67 turn signal mechanism could be easily adapted to an earlier model. Do you have any idea about this?

              Duke
              Duke,

              The 67 column mounting for the switch is different from the 63, and I think the harness is also different and made for a completely different signal switch. You would probably have to change the steering column to a 67, and improvise the wiring to the harness.

              I know you could probably do it
              Jerry Fuccillo
              1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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              • Duke W.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • December 31, 1992
                • 15629

                #8
                Re: There's a new cam in town

                I recall now that the '63 turn signal mechanism is all mechanical and a cable leads down to the actual electrical switch at the base of the steering column. The cable is external to the housing tube running in a channel on the bottom side.

                It's possible the mechanical mechanism could be modified to create a lane change feature, but I think this design was one year only, and it's probably not worth risking some hard to obtain parts.

                Duke

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                • Scott S.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • September 11, 2009
                  • 1961

                  #9
                  Re: There's a new cam in town

                  Originally posted by Gerard Fuccillo (42179)
                  Tim,

                  Here's the new cam:



                  They tell me at Shee-Mar that this is the new SM-15, which replaces the the old white one (which didn't work). It is so new that it isn't on their website yet. They have a different cam shown for the 67 application.
                  You have to call them to get the new one. They will also sell you a complete new switch which is cast from the Boyne molds. But also in red.

                  However, don't go out and buy one yet for your 67. Let me get it tested out first. If it works, I intend to put my original switch back on the car for sure.
                  Hi Jerry,

                  How did the new Shee-Mar replacement cam work out? I looked for your article on this in the Restorer back-issues CD, but couldn't find it.

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                  • Joe R.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • May 31, 2006
                    • 1822

                    #10
                    Re: There's a new cam in town

                    Scott,

                    The jury is still out. Perhaps a Restorer article will be forthcoming.

                    Joe

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                    • Scott S.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • September 11, 2009
                      • 1961

                      #11
                      Re: There's a new cam in town

                      Originally posted by Joe Raine (45823)
                      Scott,

                      The jury is still out. Perhaps a Restorer article will be forthcoming.

                      Joe
                      Hi Joe,

                      Jerry's last post was December of 2008... sounds like the jury is 'hung'

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                      • Gerard F.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • June 30, 2004
                        • 3803

                        #12
                        Re: There's a new cam in town

                        Yup, the jury is hung. Out of necessity on a trip, I put a new Shee-Marr switch in, it works good.

                        Even though I have two of the new cams, I haven't tried them out yet on my original and a burned up replacement.

                        I had the story half written, but I switched to carburator restoration. See what happens when you are having too much fun.

                        Promise to get the story done for next year, guys. I think Jack Barrett was going to try one of the new cams recently.
                        Jerry Fuccillo
                        1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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                        • Gerard F.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • June 30, 2004
                          • 3803

                          #13
                          Re: There's a new cam in town

                          Scott, Joe,

                          Take a look at this post:



                          This was part 2 of the story as I left it. In this thread is a schematic of the 67 signal switch if you want to troubleshoot it. In the last post is a little trick I learned in regard to the lever screw when I put the new Shee Marr switch on.

                          The Shee Marr switch is still on and working fine. I'm sure the cam will work out with the screw trick. I'll finish the story one of these days. Promise.
                          Jerry Fuccillo
                          1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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                          • Scott S.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • September 11, 2009
                            • 1961

                            #14
                            Re: There's a new cam in town

                            Thanks Jerry,

                            My steering column is out of the car (like everything else is), and I'm going to have it rebuilt by someone who is familiar with the early (1st version) 1967 steering column. I have been trying to determine the best quality replacement parts for the rebuild. Many of the vendors have turn signal switches of course, but they usually don't mention the manufacturer. If I need a new turn signal switch, it sounds like the Shee-Marr switch made from the original Boyne molds is a good one, and that helps a lot. That's what I needed to know. :thumbs-up:

                            [why don't we have a 'thumbs-up' icon around here? ]

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                            • Joe R.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • May 31, 2006
                              • 1822

                              #15
                              Re: There's a new cam in town

                              Originally posted by Scott Smith (50839)
                              Hi Joe,

                              Jerry's last post was December of 2008... sounds like the jury is 'hung'
                              Hi Scott,

                              You busted me not checking the dates again! Sorry about that!

                              Joe

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