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  • Dick W.
    Former NCRS Director Region IV
    • June 30, 1985
    • 10483

    An editorial on GM's plight

    From today's Automotive News.

    I did not post this here for bashing, just to show the seriousness of the situation. It just reinforces the letter from GM

    The cost of GM's death



    Automotive News
    November 14, 2008 - 12:28 pm ET

    If Congress thinks a bailout of General Motors is expensive, it should consider the cost of a GM failure.
    Let's be clear. The alternative to government cash for GM is not a dreamy Chapter 11 filing, a reorganization that puts dealers and the UAW in their place, ensuring future success.


    No, even if GM could get debtor-in-possession financing to keep the lights on (which it can't), Chapter 11 means a collapse of sales and a spiral into a Chapter 7 liquidation.
    GM's 100,000 American jobs will die. Health care for a million Americans will be lost or at risk. Hundreds of GM's 1,300 suppliers will die. Their collapse could take down Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, perhaps even North American transplants. Dealers in every county of America will close.
    The government will face greater unemployment, more Americans without health insurance and greater pension liabilities.
    Criticize Detroit 3 executives all you want. But the issue today is not whether GM should have closed Buick years ago, been tougher with the UAW or supported higher fuel economy standards.
    In the next two to four months, GM will run out of cash and turn out the lights. Only government money can prevent that. Every other alternative is fantasy.
    The $25 billion in loans that Congress approved to partially fund improvements in fuel economy? Irrelevant. Dead automakers do not invest in technology.
    The collapse of the global financial system has crushed the American car market, dried up revenues for the Detroit 3 and highlighted their weaknesses.
    Each of the Detroit 3 is in crisis. But Ford, which borrowed big two years ago and thus has more cash today, may skip a bailout and the strings attached. Cerberus, which bought Chrysler last year, doesn't deserve money. Government cash might help sell Chrysler to a strategic owner.
    Some Detroit critics want their pound of flesh: Throw the bums out and install a government czar. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson won't use any of his $700 billion bank bailout money to help manufacturers. In any case, he'd need a guarantee that a bailout would make Detroit "viable."
    Well, nobody -- not even AIG -- is insuring guarantees for viability.
    The taxpayer needs protection and an upside. GM's top management may need to go. Government-as-shareholder deserves a big voice. Those details can be worked out.
    The Detroit 3 CEOs and UAW President Ron Gettelfinger had better tell two critical congressional hearings next week what sacrifices they are prepared to make.
    But the stark fact remains: Absent a bailout, GM dies, and with it much of manufacturing in America. Congress needs to do the right thing -- now.
    Dick Whittington
  • Joel F.
    Expired
    • April 30, 2004
    • 659

    #2
    Re: An editorial on GM's plight

    Thanks Dick. Very accurate IMHO.

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    • Ken A.
      Very Frequent User
      • July 31, 1986
      • 929

      #3
      Re: An editorial on GM's plight

      Dick,
      Just because it is in print does not make it gospel. One option for GM is to close North American operations and continue overseas where they are profitable.
      The author failed to mention that the UAW has stated they(UAW) will grant no more concessions to management. With that attitude how can they survive.
      I would agree that to put the blame on past events is useless. But, before I would give them a dime, I would expect to see a well developed plan of action that does not include "fairy tales" like the Volt or other silly R & D programs. That's no more than what the bank would ask you or me prior to getting that startup loan-don't you agree?
      From a personal standpoint it would break my heart to see GM disappear because I grew up loving Chevys & Corvettes. Who on this forum didn't?
      But I can't afford to give up my life's savings to bail them out.
      Ken

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      • Joe M.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • April 30, 1990
        • 1338

        #4
        Re: An editorial on GM's plight

        This forum is not the place to bring up the nation's problems. NCRS members can read about GM via the internet, newspapers, etc. and make their own decisions about a bailout. Let's stick to the intended purpose of the forum. Thanks.

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        • Ian G.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • September 3, 2007
          • 1114

          #5
          Re: An editorial on GM's plight

          Hey Joe, Dick is one of the moderators. If he can't decide what a relevant thread is, I don't know who can. That said, I think we need some dedicated forums added to the TDB: a want-ad forum, and a general interest forum, for these kind of discussions. And then just call the whole thing "The NCRS Forum". The name of the thing is just legacy from the old bulletin board anyway.

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          • Stuart F.
            Expired
            • August 31, 1996
            • 4676

            #6
            Re: An editorial on GM's plight

            Sometimes it comes to a point where we've thrashed the rear end gear ratio thing to death and we need a little humor - even dry humor, or sober discussion about the future of our hobby.

            Stu Fox

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            • Ian G.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • September 3, 2007
              • 1114

              #7
              Re: An editorial on GM's plight

              hey there's a lot to be said about rear ends yet. My pumpkin sticks when i spin it :P
              But I'll be getting a correct POSI as soon as I can find one anyway.

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              • Ridge K.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • May 31, 2006
                • 1018

                #8
                Re: An editorial on GM's plight




                Dick,....thank you. Ridge.
                Good carburetion is fuelish hot air . . .

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                • Ian G.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • September 3, 2007
                  • 1114

                  #9
                  Re: An editorial on GM's plight

                  Here, here Ridge

                  NCRS is for fellow like-minded people to enjoy a little camaraderie and gear-headedness. I see no reason why we shouldn't use this forum to help do that, since many of us may never meet face to face, as we are spread all over these great states.

                  Also, I think having our real names as our IDs and our numbers helps keep everyone civil. You don't see much in the way of flames on this board, since everyone here probably knows and has met someone else on the board personally and can vouch for them. That's one of the worst things about internet forums in general, is everyone is anonymous and can say some of the worst things to each other that they would never say to a person's face.

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                  • Joe L.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • January 31, 1988
                    • 43195

                    #10
                    Re: An editorial on GM's plight

                    Originally posted by Dick Whittington (8804)
                    From today's Automotive News.

                    I did not post this here for bashing, just to show the seriousness of the situation. It just reinforces the letter from GM

                    The cost of GM's death



                    Automotive News
                    November 14, 2008 - 12:28 pm ET

                    If Congress thinks a bailout of General Motors is expensive, it should consider the cost of a GM failure.
                    Let's be clear. The alternative to government cash for GM is not a dreamy Chapter 11 filing, a reorganization that puts dealers and the UAW in their place, ensuring future success.


                    No, even if GM could get debtor-in-possession financing to keep the lights on (which it can't), Chapter 11 means a collapse of sales and a spiral into a Chapter 7 liquidation.
                    GM's 100,000 American jobs will die. Health care for a million Americans will be lost or at risk. Hundreds of GM's 1,300 suppliers will die. Their collapse could take down Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, perhaps even North American transplants. Dealers in every county of America will close.
                    The government will face greater unemployment, more Americans without health insurance and greater pension liabilities.
                    Criticize Detroit 3 executives all you want. But the issue today is not whether GM should have closed Buick years ago, been tougher with the UAW or supported higher fuel economy standards.
                    In the next two to four months, GM will run out of cash and turn out the lights. Only government money can prevent that. Every other alternative is fantasy.
                    The $25 billion in loans that Congress approved to partially fund improvements in fuel economy? Irrelevant. Dead automakers do not invest in technology.
                    The collapse of the global financial system has crushed the American car market, dried up revenues for the Detroit 3 and highlighted their weaknesses.
                    Each of the Detroit 3 is in crisis. But Ford, which borrowed big two years ago and thus has more cash today, may skip a bailout and the strings attached. Cerberus, which bought Chrysler last year, doesn't deserve money. Government cash might help sell Chrysler to a strategic owner.
                    Some Detroit critics want their pound of flesh: Throw the bums out and install a government czar. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson won't use any of his $700 billion bank bailout money to help manufacturers. In any case, he'd need a guarantee that a bailout would make Detroit "viable."
                    Well, nobody -- not even AIG -- is insuring guarantees for viability.
                    The taxpayer needs protection and an upside. GM's top management may need to go. Government-as-shareholder deserves a big voice. Those details can be worked out.
                    The Detroit 3 CEOs and UAW President Ron Gettelfinger had better tell two critical congressional hearings next week what sacrifices they are prepared to make.
                    But the stark fact remains: Absent a bailout, GM dies, and with it much of manufacturing in America. Congress needs to do the right thing -- now.

                    Dick-----


                    I totally agree. Here's how I see it: I would prefer that there would be no bailouts for ANY entity. However, we're beyond that point and we've already pretty well established the fact that the federal government is in the "bail out business". So, if the government is going to make available 700 billion dollars to bail out Wall Street (and, the executives that created the mess that we're all in and, in part, created the mess that the auto industry is in), then the government damn sure should come to the aid of the auto industry. The auto industry is an industry that PRODUCES SOMETHING; Wall Street is an industry that PRODUCES NOTHING.
                    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                    • Jay G.
                      Expired
                      • August 31, 1993
                      • 398

                      #11
                      Re: An editorial on GM's plight

                      I agreee totally. My dad was an Aircraft Mech. engineer. When he was alive the ol' man told me in the 80's "We've given away all the manfacturing in this country. We only produce telephones." If we take care of the paper types and turn our backs on manfacturing once more. Were left with a service only society. Which we may be already. We can bail out wall st but not an Icon like GM. Reagan did it for Harley and Chrysler. I support GM in its efforts as NCRS so supports, Sorry soapbox editorial. But Dick is right. My one opinion.

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                      • Ted S.
                        Expired
                        • June 30, 2003
                        • 8

                        #12
                        Re: An editorial on GM's plight

                        A previous thread showing a letter to employees from the president of GM North America posits that the US Congress should "Bail Out" General Motors. The article from Automotive News on this thread is indeed an editorial--an opinion from someone close to the industry. Both show the dire straits that GM North America finds itself in. And both claim that the U.S. Government is the solution to the problems that exist.

                        Buried near the end of the Automotive News article is a statement "Those details can be worked out". Really?? By whom? Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid? Or some unknown bureaucrats from Washington? We are learning now that the "details" for the 700 billion bailout of the finance industry have changed. The risk of having people outside of the automobile industry running the industry exceeds the risk of bankruptcy in my opinion.

                        General Motors outside the US is viable. Note the letter from GM is from the president of GM North America. It should be perhaps be from GM Detroit. We do not see such letters and statements from Toyota or BMW or other car manufactures in the US.

                        GM had huge problems long before the government got into the bailout business. The current environment has corporations and states and cities standing in line for a bailout. It is the easy way out but a Faustian event.

                        I would liker to see GM fix their problems by themselves. The unions are a big problem. GM should solve their problems as the airline industry did- restructure contracts, get smaller/stronger, or merge.

                        GM will not disappear. It will be be a different company if/when they go belly up. But out of the ashes will be a better company. Perhaps their new product line could be called the Phoenix.

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                        • Art A.
                          Expired
                          • June 30, 1984
                          • 834

                          #13
                          Re: An editorial on GM's plight





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                          JMHO

                          P.S. If you want to really help, and can afford it, go out TODAY and buy a new car from one of the little three.

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                          • Gary C.
                            Administrator
                            • October 1, 1982
                            • 17586

                            #14
                            Re: An editorial on GM's plight

                            Thread closed - meant to be informative about GM, Ford and Chrysler's current challenge! Gary....
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