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  • Lyndon S.
    Expired
    • April 30, 1988
    • 1027

    reproduction parts

    correct reproduction.
    __________
    Kelly
  • Kenneth B.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • August 31, 1984
    • 2091

    #2
    Re: reproduction parts

    Originally posted by Lyndon Sharpton (12791)
    What is the point of making reproduction parts that are not accurate in every way and detail with even small nuances ?
    correct reproduction.
    __________
    Kelly
    I agree. I had a original fuel pump leak before a NCRS meet. I got one from a well known Corvette parts dealer in the east. Sold me a correct one when it came it had no AC cast on the side. I always save the original part to check against the new one. Also get because it is in a GM package it may not be correct for you year car. Some over the counter parts that were bought with in a year or two are not like the original. trim rings & exhaust are two examples.
    KEN
    65 350 TI CONV 67 J56 435 CONV,67,390/AIR CONV,70 454/air CONV,
    What A MAN WON'T SPEND TO GIVE HIS ASS A RIDE

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    • Mike M.
      NCRS Past President
      • May 31, 1974
      • 8409

      #3
      Re: reproduction parts

      about 1979, i bought a set of 56-7 vette seat covers from al knoch, as no nos material was available to me at that time. i installed them on the seats and drove the old 57 very little. last year, i decided to restore the old girl. the 1979 vintage al knoch covers are close to original(the retangles weren't heat pressed in a triangular fashion back then as the original covers were). now , al is repo'ing the 56-7 seat covers with nearly correct heat press patterns. old al gets another sale for seat covers for the same c-1. anybody want a set of 1979 covers-their condition is perfect and they'll be on the cuff. doubt al knoch intentionally made the 1979 covers ALMOST perfect repos back then. mike

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      • Pat M.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • April 1, 2006
        • 1588

        #4
        Re: reproduction parts

        I feel the same frustration with repo parts, but I think a LOT of non-NCRS enthusiasts couldn't care less. To them, if a part generally looks right it's close enough, and so long as that's the case, close will be good enough to repo manufacturers. As long as they can make money selling imperfect parts, they will. JMHO

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        • Kenneth B.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • August 31, 1984
          • 2091

          #5
          Re: reproduction parts

          Originally posted by Mike McCagh (14)
          about 1979, i bought a set of 56-7 vette seat covers from al knoch, as no nos material was available to me at that time. i installed them on the seats and drove the old 57 very little. last year, i decided to restore the old girl. the 1979 vintage al knoch covers are close to original(the retangles weren't heat pressed in a triangular fashion back then as the original covers were). now , al is repo'ing the 56-7 seat covers with nearly correct heat press patterns. old al gets another sale for seat covers for the same c-1. anybody want a set of 1979 covers-their condition is perfect and they'll be on the cuff. doubt al knoch intentionally made the 1979 covers ALMOST perfect repos back then. mike
          MIKE
          I agree remember how bad the door panals were when he first moved to Texas. I think for the most part the PEPO stuff is better.
          KEN
          65 350 TI CONV 67 J56 435 CONV,67,390/AIR CONV,70 454/air CONV,
          What A MAN WON'T SPEND TO GIVE HIS ASS A RIDE

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          • Roy B.
            Expired
            • February 1, 1975
            • 7044

            #6
            Re: reproduction parts

            Many years ago I met a person reproing the front 55-57 bumpers and when I asked him why he dint add the logo USA his response was (when NCRS's JM includes it he will) then he said I can sell them again to the people that bought the early ones.
            I've talked about first and second design parts of which there are many but few repro's mention or sell them. As more and more repro parts come on line the original design part will quickly be lost as old members die off. I now see people arguing over which is repro and original.
            Because of my love of the 55 Corvette I'm compiling a Pic. Record of real original parts, first, second and third design to pass off to my son, while collecting "real" parts to replace worn parts.

            It's not the fault of people restoring a Corvette when real parts are hard to come by but should be know what a real part looks like.

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            • Steven B.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • June 30, 1982
              • 4018

              #7
              Re: reproduction parts

              Originally posted by Roy Braatz (182)
              Many years ago I met a person reproing the front 55-57 bumpers and when I asked him why he dint add the logo USA his response was (when NCRS's JM includes it he will) then he said I can sell them again to the people that bought the early ones.
              I've talked about first and second design parts of which there are many but few repro's mention or sell them. As more and more repro parts come on line the original design part will quickly be lost as old members die off. I now see people arguing over which is repro and original.
              Because of my love of the 55 Corvette I'm compiling a Pic. Record of real original parts, first, second and third design to pass off to my son, while collecting "real" parts to replace worn parts.

              It's not the fault of people restoring a Corvette when real parts are hard to come by but should be know what a real part looks like.
              I would really like to see Roy and others with documentation of original parts, procedures, specs., etc. publish books to maintain the "correct" history of Corvettes. In a few years our first hand sources will be scarce. I know my cars will out survive me. There is so much I want to learn about my '57 and even the '77 and '78 SA that I know is likely lost forever.
              That is one reason the TDB is so valuable. We get to capture some of it.
              Last edited by Steven B.; November 6, 2008, 05:27 PM. Reason: Addition

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              • Alan S.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • July 31, 1989
                • 3422

                #8
                Re: reproduction parts

                Hi Kelly,
                I understand your frustration.
                I think that having to pay too much $$$$ for 'almost close' parts encourages folks to restore, and figure out new ways to restore, their ORIGINAL part when possible. I like that.
                Regards,
                Alan
                71 Coupe, 350/270, 4 speed
                Mason Dixon Chapter
                Chapter Top Flight October 2011

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                • Nicholas L.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • November 1, 1982
                  • 342

                  #9
                  Re: reproduction parts

                  My theory is if reproduction parts were made to be dead on then people would probably be selling them on Ebay as NOS.

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                  • James W.
                    Expired
                    • December 1, 1986
                    • 278

                    #10
                    Re: reproduction parts

                    I remember a few years ago I was helping Robby Price judge 67 interiors. He squeezed the panel and said, "It's a reproduction - doesn't have the right squish". I remember thinking, "Wow! Talk about picky", but the reproduction panels at that time had a very soft feel and were nothing like the originals he showed me.

                    Look at reproduction sun visors for C3's. Look okay, except they are too thin - not enough padding. I'm certain owners are wondering what planet I'm from when I say it has the wrong squish! (Just kidding, it deviates from the original, of course).

                    Jim

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                    • Mike M.
                      NCRS Past President
                      • May 31, 1974
                      • 8409

                      #11
                      Re: reproduction parts

                      Originally posted by James White (10751)
                      I remember a few years ago I was helping Robby Price judge 67 interiors. He squeezed the panel and said, "It's a reproduction - doesn't have the right squish". I remember thinking, "Wow! Talk about picky", but the reproduction panels at that time had a very soft feel and were nothing like the originals he showed me.

                      Look at reproduction sun visors for C3's. Look okay, except they are too thin - not enough padding. I'm certain owners are wondering what planet I'm from when I say it has the wrong squish! (Just kidding, it deviates from the original, of course).

                      Jim
                      jim: you've got it reversed. the c-2 original door panel foam backing was a good bit softer that the pre 1992(just before roby expired) al knock repos which were hard as rocks. Roby was quite a guy.mike

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                      • Dennis C.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • June 30, 2002
                        • 888

                        #12
                        Re: reproduction parts

                        Hi All,

                        It's not only that the parts are not accurate, but sometimes the quality is extremely poor. I recently returned several parts because my originals were in better shape. I chose to have the parts rechromed rather then accept the poor quality.

                        I was even discouraged from buying a part bacause the person I was speaking with - from a major supplier - told me up front the quality was poor and they had received complaints in the past about it.

                        Regards,

                        Dennis

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                        • John M.
                          Expired
                          • August 31, 2003
                          • 167

                          #13
                          Re: reproduction parts

                          I completely agree with Lyndon - I don't understand what is so hard about making an accurate reproduction! I see reproduction labels where the company couldn't be bothered to use the correct font - this is not brain surgery...



                          ...if folks are worried about their reproduction parts being sold as NOS, why not put a "Reproduction" stamping on the inside of the part?

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                          • Guest

                            #14
                            Re: reproduction parts

                            the BIGGEST problem is the licensing - most vendors cannot afford the HUGE licensing fees that GM demands - so, they make "close enough"

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                            • Lyndon S.
                              Expired
                              • April 30, 1988
                              • 1027

                              #15
                              Re: reproduction parts

                              That is the beauty of a true restoration or assembly line part the look the feel the texture the little nuances that the average person would not see. That is why I love this organization so much where else could you meet up with like mined people that suffer from the same affliction that I have OCD, better known as obsessive compulsive disorder
                              _______
                              Kelly

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