1958-60 balancer judging question

[Tom O.]

I posed this question back in May for my '59, 270 hp. Does anyone have the answer?

"I just reviewed the 1958-62 Judging Sheets, Chassis Section. Number 25, Engine Cooling System, the third item is: Crank balancer, pulley, timing cover & tab. Those four items are worth 5 Originality and 5 Condition points.

So if the harmonic balancer was totally incorrect (a later three spoke design reproduction), would it be a 1.67 point deduction for originality but gain 5 points for Condition?"

Thanks,
Tom

[Tom O.]

Re: 1958-60 balancer judging question

Someone must know the answer to this question.

[Ted S.]

Re: 1958-60 balancer judging question

Tom, Depending upon the judging team it could vary. I would suspect you would loose 1-2 points on originality and potentially 1-2 on condition.

Example: on my '58 they took off 1 point for the generator heat shield (since it wasn't there - another story) and they took off 1 point for condition.

Hope this helps, Ted

[Tom O.]

Re: 1958-60 balancer judging question

Ted,
Thank you, that helps.
Tom

[Tom O.]

Re: 1958-60 balancer judging question

Example: on my '58 they took off 1 point for the generator heat shield (since it wasn't there - another story) and they took off 1 point for condition.

WAIT a minute. A 1 point deduction for Condition for something that wasn't there?? That IS picky!!!

[Joel F.]

Re: 1958-60 balancer judging question

Example: on my '58 they took off 1 point for the generator heat shield (since it wasn't there - another story) and they took off 1 point for condition.

WAIT a minute. A 1 point deduction for Condition for something that wasn't there?? That IS picky!!!

Tom,

I think he meant that they took a point on the condition of the components that were present.

For a brand new part, that gets at least 10% of your originality points, you should get all the condition. Now if that brand new part gets 0 originality points, you of course loose the condition points. So not knowing anything about what your balancer should look like, it is conceivable that they'd deduct the condition point if the balancer is not close enough to garner 10% of the originality (I simply don't know).

Hope this helps.

Joel

[Ted S.]

Re: 1958-60 balancer judging question

Actually the argument made was since the item wasn't there they could not judge the condition and therefore took off 1 out of the total points available on the condition side also. So net I lost 2 points (1 of 5 points on originality + 1 of 4 points on condition) both because the generator heat shield was not in place.

Now the question is whether or not a late '58 that has the hood brace on the left side and the generator spacing plate mounted between the exhaust manifold and generator mounting bracket should have the heat shield in place. My understanding was the heat shield was no longer used once the spacer bracket was used. Evidently Dennis and Tim discussed and researched at length and determined that the heat shield was still used. The question is in the '58 - '60 timeframe when did GM quit installing the heat shield for the tach drive on the generator?

Hope this helps,

Ted

[Dan H.]

Re: 1958-60 balancer judging question

Ted, back in 1990 I had the previlege of PVing Larry Alleys 25K mile 1958 Fuelie at Williamsburg National. UNTOUCHED car! Silky smooth! He was nice enough to send me many detailed pictures of this car, which I still have in my scrapbook of 'unmollested' cars of the era. There is a photo of the rear of the generator, it has the spacer plate setup with the LH hood support etc. There is no heat shield in place. This is a 290 non tach drive gen., so don't know if the tach drive gen cars had a heat shield or not. I know my 59's didn't with the same gen mount system. Maybe Tim has seen orig. cars with the shield. Any other 58 guys with heat shields? My pictures from Peterson Publishers are of early 58 cars with RH hood support. They had a hose clamp around the bottom of the lower radiator hose and the fuel line pulling the hose away from the fan belt. (high tech fix) Hope this helps a little!
Dan

[Ted S.]

Re: 1958-60 balancer judging question

Dan thanks for the response. I'm sure the high HP fuelies didn't have it since they didn't have the tach drive on the back of the generator. In the AIM I have the drawing doesn't show the shield and the drawing date is 4/11/58. My car is an August car so I figured that it would not have the heat shield since that was well past the 4/11/58 AIM date.

Also the wording in the 58 - 60 TM&JG is vague on the topic.

"1958 right-hand hood support models had the generator mounted with the U-shaped support directly to the exhaust manifold (no mounting plate used). A small heat shield is used to protect the tach drive unit. The flat plate mounts to the exhaust manifold boss with two hex bolts and split washers. The U-shaped support mounts to two threaded holes in the flat plate with two hex bolts and split washers. Generator mounts to U-shaped support with two hex bolts (threads pointing outward), split washers and hex nuts."

It's almost like the first two sentences go together and then the last 3 sentences go together. The last 3 pretty much match the AIM I have other than the it shows the U-shaped bracket being held on with bolts and nuts rather than having threaded holes in the flat plate.

Things that make you go Hmmmmm...........