67 DS Horn With AC Mounting AGAIN!!!
Sorry guys, but I got my 67 driver side (DS) horn repaired this past month and was just trying to mount it in the hole you said and it flat out will not fit in any way shape or form. The horn mount bracket really never quite reaches the hole and the horn butts up against the condenser and the radiator bracket. I need some real pics of this set up and confirmation of which hole the horn should be mounted in - the yellow hole or the red hole. I found it in the red hole where it seems to fit perfectly. The yellow hole seems impossible because I need to remove the two red hole screws to free up the condenser enough to even get that bolt in place, which in turn prevents me from seating the horn mount bracket properly because of the bottom edge of the condenser just below the red hole. In addition, mounting of the horn in the yellow hole completely blocks access to the red hole shown making securing the condenser once it is mounted almost impossible. Are you guys sure that your DS horns are mounted in the yellow hole?
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Re: 67 DS Horn With AC Mounting AGAIN!!!
Kirk, For what it is worth my 67 C-2 with SB , 4sp, with A/C and K-19 has the DS horn mounted in the red circled hole. Dale -
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Kirk, mine is in the RED hole also.Comment
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Problem solved then, because that is where the horn was originally and it certainly seems that the hole and markings around the "red hole" would suggest that it has been there for a long time. That will certainly make the remount MUCH easier. It is interesting though that in my first judging I was dinged a point or two for the horn being in the wrong hole. Does everyone agree with us that for AC cars this is the CORRECT hole for the DS horn. I need to be able to state so with confidence to the judges my next time around. Thanks.
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Kirk, My car has been judged 5 times with the horn in this position, never an issue. Judging A/C cars is always a challenge for judges.Comment
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Hello Kirk;
'67 '22684 has the DS horn mounted in the same as your red location and always has been.
Hope this helps.
RayAnd when you get the choice to sit it out or dance
I hope you dance
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Great to know. I am still learning and wasn't confident enough in my knowledge of that area to say anything. Now I am, thanks to all of you! I love this forum!Comment
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That was apparently a "local deviation" for A/C cars at St. Louis that never made it into the Assembly Manual, as the non-A/C horn was mounted in the yellow hole, with the two raised ribs on each side of the hole locating the horn bracket to orient the horn.Comment
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Would this mounting be the same for a 1966 Big Block with AC? I haven't look at my radiator support to see if the holes are the same which should be.Comment
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Good question. Any big blocks with AC and horns out there?Comment
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John,
Having just gone through this trying to mount the horn in the yellow hole, there is just no way that it could ever be done. The presence of the horn would have prevented mounting of the condenser, and vice versa. What is interesting is this. Now that I know the horn is suppose to go there, I tried to use an identical bolt to the top condenser mounting bolt to re-attach the repaired horn. It was long enough to fit through the hole but did not have threads on the very end of the bolt and hence the nut would not catch. Soooo, I went back and dug out the original bolt that I had taken off the horn and low and behold it is longer with threads to the end and has a thicker washer that has "teeth" around the perimeter to cut the paint and ground the horn. Not a start washer, but teeth around the outer edge of what looks like a little thicker normal washer. This would suggest to me that they knew what they were doing when they mounted the horn here even to the point of choosing a different bolt and washer set-up for the altered situation. Do any of you other AC guys have that type of bolt and "teeth" washer as well?
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Kirk,
I also just posted a ?? trying to find the same info, lets hope someone helps us out, the horn location was a tough one. We fall into the ol" the assembly manual is set in stone guide thought pattern and get stuck, to often it was the guys on the line that did what needed to be done to make it work and get it by their station and moved on, and for sure had no way to report a change back (or incentive to do so) to engineering.
Can you imagine the politics there? Question the designers? Not a chance, it works, I want to go home, its not my job. Yes, reality. Not the manuals "perfect world"
Judges should always allow for that in a situation like this, especially if it just plain "makes sense" and there is nothing to prove differently.
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Bill,
I posted about this later with pics and low and behold it was the "other" hole that everyone had their horns mounted into. So, short answer is on cars with AC they definitely used that outer hole to mount the horn. Interesting how a single picture could resolve the question. Hope that helps.
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Bill,
Sorry, it was actually this post with the pic. Your horn should be mounted in the red circled hole.
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Kirk,
Thanks, hopefully now some others will jump on my question about the type of bolts used.
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