How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

[Kirk M.]

Got dinged pretty heavy losing all the points on paint since the paint on my 67 was too glossy in my door jambs (sp?), drip plate around engine, areas around gill slits. What is the best way to dull the finish without ruining my paint???? Please give me some suggestions!!!

Kirk

[Bruce B.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

I have been told that dulling the paint on door jams and other areas can be done by spraying with Krylon flat or semi-gloss clear spray paint. The difficult part is keeping the edges hidden. This can be accomplished by using masking tape and carefully rolling it back to achieve the "edge". Tricky but it does work.

[Mike E.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

There are a number of techniques--be assured, the national NCRS judges that do exterior are familiar with every one of them. You'll need to do whatever you do very well!!!

[Ridge K.]

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Best of luck to you on your repair work, Ridge..

[Kirk M.]

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No disappointment in the judging, they did a spectacular job and I really had no idea about the paint until they explained it to me. Sorry if it came across that way. The problem is that it seems somewhat count-intuitive to remove all my wax layers considering the fact that I have driven my car over 1000+ miles this summer alone - bugs, stones, weather, etc. Maybe I shouldn't worry about this one and just drive the car to nationals - doesn't driving get you extra points!! That way my finish would be countered by the drive!

So, from what I'm sensing it really wouldn't be a good idea to try and alter the existing finish because regional and national judges will still deduct the points. Is that correct??

Thanks.

[Tracy C.]

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No disappointment in the judging....

So, from what I'm sensing it really wouldn't be a good idea to try and alter the existing finish because regional and national judges will still deduct the points. Is that correct??

Thanks.

Not at all Kirk. Foolin the judges is half the fun..

If I were you, I'd wipe the areas that you want to flatten with some Prep-Sol to remove any residual wax or fingerprints and then fog a couple coats of semigloss clear over the areas. Do not use flat. Also using the roll back masking tape previously suggested will help with the edges.

If you still get a ding, my guess it will be less than before. After all, you made an attempt to make it "appear" as it did when it left the factory and that is what we are all about anyway.

Good Luck,

tc

[Mike M.]

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Hi Kirk
It is good to know that you view your Judging experience as being positive.
Tracy's on the right track.
For others who may be looking in and as the Judges explained, the current paint Judging standard adopted over a year ago has a possibility of four segment choices.
To paraphrase, if the paint appears to be typically applied factory material, no deduction. Check the box and move on.
Same as above, but, over restored, 20% deduction.
Viewing the exterior only, if the paint appears totally unlike factory applied material, 100% deduction of originality points and subsequently 100% deduction of the condition points as well.
After this determination, the Judges can then open the doors, hood and view other "Hidden" areas. If these area appear to be sufficently dull to meet judging standards for typical factory production, then 50% of the points can be credited back.
The real importance of this outcome is the return of potentially all of the condition points.
HaND

[Clem Z.]

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watch the TV program "the last stink ray" and nabors tells how they dull those areas.

[Tony S.]

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Kirk. Be careful not to make those areas too dull. When your car was originally painted lacquer, your body was put in the oven and baked after paint. The paint reflowed and left a semi-gloss finish from the baking. The guys on the line then closed the doors and hood and buffed as best they could with a heavy buffer.

I went through this same paint/point issue when I restored my '67. I didn't realize what the hit was going to be with having shiny everything. I found out: 85 point deduct! When I later restored my '65 BB car, I knew what the judges were looking for. My painter and I experimented with different painting techniques to reduce the point loss as much as possible. When I had my '65 judged recently, I got only a 9 point deduct.

Before you start "dulling" anything, study the paint judging matrix and talk with judges about what they look for. It's more than just the door jams and drip railings. I learned alot just talking with the National exterior judges at St. Charles.

Most of all, good luck and have fun!
Tony

[Pat M.]

[Sander B.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

Got dinged pretty heavy losing all the points on paint since the paint on my 67 was too glossy in my door jambs (sp?), drip plate around engine, areas around gill slits. What is the best way to dull the finish without ruining my paint???? Please give me some suggestions!!!

Kirk

[Ridge K.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

Viewing the exterior only, if the paint appears totally unlike factory applied material, 100% deduction of originality points and subsequently 100% deduction of the condition points as well.

IF, I left the door jams, wiper grill slit area, and drip rails under hood too glossy?

If a member loses all points in judging, simply because an exterior judge feels the level of gloss in inappropriate, as per the factory painting, (which almost all reasonable, good people would agree that this level varied from car to car, and year to year), then something is terribly wrong within the judging process. In my humble opinion, something is drastically wrong. A deduction of some points, yes... that would certainly be reasonable, but 100% deduction of originally points, plus 100% deduction of condition points? I would love to hear an opinion regarding my original question. Would the $299 shocking pink, with contrasting paint swirls, and still tacky 30 days after the quick paint job be equivalent to the correct, master level paint, completed at the current market avergae cost of $10K to $15K, that was left to glossy in those critical areas? As always, thanks in advance for help in understanding this issue.Ridge.

[Patrick H.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

IF, I left the door jams, wiper grill slit area, and drip rails under hood too glossy?

If a member loses all points in judging, simply because an exterior judge feels the level of gloss in inappropriate, as per the factory painting, (which almost all reasonable, good people would agree that this level varied from car to car, and year to year), then something is terribly wrong within the judging process. In my humble opinion, something is drastically wrong. A deduction of some points, yes... that would certainly be reasonable, but 100% deduction of originally points, plus 100% deduction of condition points? I would love to hear an opinion regarding my original question. Would the $299 shocking pink, with contrasting paint swirls, and still tacky 30 days after the quick paint job be equivalent to the correct, master level paint, completed at the current market avergae cost of $10K to $15K, that was left to glossy in those critical areas? As always, thanks in advance for help in understanding this issue.Ridge.

Ridge,

You'd lose the 85 points for paint color as well as the 85 points for paint application.

https://www.ncrs.org/sinor/63-67%20Score%20Sheets/63-67%20Exterior.pdf

To gain "all" your exterior points there are two main areas that need to be addressed:

- on the edges of all of you body panels, headlight doors, etc be sure to remove/sand down/ even out the raised edes that BC/CC. Lacquer paint didn't leave these raised edges and it's a giveaway for BC/CC - and it's the part that most owners/restorers forget.

- dull down the door jambs, hood gutters, and any other areas that did not originally get buffed. Ths should include the nose and tail under the bumpers, etc.

Patrick

[Clem Z.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

Ridge,

You'd lose the 85 points for paint color as well as the 85 points for paint application.

https://www.ncrs.org/sinor/63-67%20Score%20Sheets/63-67%20Exterior.pdf

To gain "all" your exterior points there are two main areas that need to be addressed:

- on the edges of all of you body panels, headlight doors, etc be sure to remove/sand down/ even out the raised edes that BC/CC. Lacquer paint didn't leave these raised edges and it's a giveaway for BC/CC - and it's the part that most owners/restorers forget.

- dull down the door jambs, hood gutters, and any other areas that did not originally get buffed. Ths should include the nose and tail under the bumpers, etc.

Patrick

since most of these judged car never see sunlight why not paint the car with lacquer like the original and save all this aggravation???

[Michael H.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

IF, I left the door jams, wiper grill slit area, and drip rails under hood too glossy?

If a member loses all points in judging, simply because an exterior judge feels the level of gloss in inappropriate, as per the factory painting, (which almost all reasonable, good people would agree that this level varied from car to car, and year to year), then something is terribly wrong within the judging process. In my humble opinion, something is drastically wrong. A deduction of some points, yes... that would certainly be reasonable, but 100% deduction of originally points, plus 100% deduction of condition points? I would love to hear an opinion regarding my original question. Would the $299 shocking pink, with contrasting paint swirls, and still tacky 30 days after the quick paint job be equivalent to the correct, master level paint, completed at the current market avergae cost of $10K to $15K, that was left to glossy in those critical areas? As always, thanks in advance for help in understanding this issue.Ridge.

I'm a little confused as to why everyone seems to think that all the paint in door jambs is supposed to be semi flat?
I agree that some/many areas of the jambs that received a light, non flowing coat of paint may appear somewhat less glossy than the bottom half of a door outer panel but there are some areas that look just as good/glossy. Why would there be a difference/
I'm not suggesting any door jamb or hood trough should have a polished BC/CC look but it can look a bit better than semi gloss.
Why would an area in a door jamb look any different than the lower section of a rear 1/4 panel or inside the louvers on the front lower fender on an original paint car?