67 door panels...............silly question

[Rex T.]

I realize this is probably a silly question, but here goes. I just opened a new screw kit for the interior of a 67 convertible. There is a bag of screws marked "Door panel", but I do not see where they can go. I hate to punch holes in the new door panels, but at the same time, I am not sure how the bottom portion of the panel is secured to the door.

Thanks in advance.

Rex

[Donald T.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Rex,

You should have clips that slide into the door panel and then the clip screws into the door.

[Keith B.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

there are I think 6 clips that go around the door that hold the pannel on. then there is 2 for the door pull. 2 under the arm rest. and on the ends of the pannel about 1/3 the way down there is one.

[Rex T.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't "think" that any screws actually pierce the panels skin..............do they? The screws in the interior kit are the same type as the ones that hold the windshield interior molding and the console on.

[Dick C.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't "think" that any screws actually pierce the panels skin..............do they? The screws in the interior kit are the same type as the ones that hold the windshield interior molding and the console on.

Take a look at the back of the panel. You will see holes for the door pull and the arm rest.
The panel is held in place by screws/clips which are along the bottom of the door and on the hige side of the door.

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Rex,

On a 67 convertible, I think there are only 3 screws along the door bottom and 2 along the hinge side which go through clips to hold the door panel in place. (Besides the pull and arm rest screws)

On a 67, there is one screw which pierces the panel along the rear of the door.

It looks like this:


Here's the position of it:



You'll probably find a hole in the fiberglass of the door at the location.

The pictures are from the never been off passenger door panel of my 67. The screw might have been changed, but I think it is original.

[Mike M.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

The production configuration for the single screw at the rear of the '67 panel is a #8 trim screw within a conical washer, similar to the center kick panel arrangement.
HaND

[Curt C.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Jerry and Mike, does that mean this single rear screw is unique to 67 only and would not appear on a 66 door panel? Thanks as always...

[Mike M.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Yes, the single screw in that position for mid-years is a '67 application only.
P.S. the screw head in Jerry's picture actually belongs in the forward position of the kick panel.
HaND

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

You're correct Mike,

The screw in my picture is identical to the forward (or aft) trim screws without the beveled washer on my 67 Kick Panels.

However, it is an original type trim screw which I don't think you will find them in the repro sets. Since I have all my original kick panel screws, I don't know where I got this one.

On 67's, it is noted in the 67 AIM that there was a change in the kick panel screws (dated in June 66) which deleted the beveled washer screw on the kick panel, and used all the same screws on the kick panel. The 67 JG recognizes this, in that it calls out 6 trim screws in the kick panel, all the same. It also recognizes the use of the 4 of one type and two of the screws with the beveled washers. I guess they used the bevel washer screws until they depleted the stock.

Just wondering that if they deleted the beveled washer screws in the kick panel, is it possible that they also deleted the beveled washer screw in the door panels, and used the same trim panel screw. I don't seem to find a reference to the beveled washer screw in the door panel in the AIM, maybe I overlooked it.

My car is a late June 67 car which came with all the same six screws in the Kick Panel. I have changed the kick panel, but I put all of the original screws back in, as I did not like the looks of the repro set I had gotten in 1990. So I'm wondering where the screw in the picture came from.

Incidentally, here is a picture of the back of one of my original 67 kick panels:



Note that it has six ferrules for the positions of the screws. The repro kick panels don't have all six.

Since I'm planning on changing my repro kick panels now, does anyone know where I can find sets of the ferrules.

Not trying to start an argument Mike, it's just that these little finer points interest me.

Having fun.

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Hey Mike,

Take a look at this thread from the archives:

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...37801&uid=3903

Here's a second instance of a trim screw without the beveled washer being used for the door panel screw on a 67.

The thread also has a picture of the screw with the beveled washer.

Interesting

[Mike M.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Hi Jerry
No offense taken. I enjoy our conversations.
Like you I am interested in getting the little details correct. I guess that is really what Originality/Restoration/Judging are all about.
Thanks for the added post. That final picture posted by Nick is what we typically see in the door panels of original cars. I believe that is a picture from his Bow-tie car.
We may never achieve absolute conclusive evidence of these types of production issues. Perhaps, the best we can hope for is a general consensus based on the original cars that we have seen and documented.
I am aware of the AIM update, as always the question is do they actually become implemented, if so, when, were they consistent and for how long.
Apparently, the "six alike" did appear. My 22,4XX car, third to the last day of production had the traditional 4 and 2, Could be different worker, shift, mixed in a bin, two screws in hand, drop the correct one, bend over to pick it up-Never!, just use the other one in hand, he didn't read the memo, who knows? I wish someone did.
See you in Bend?
HaND

[Keith B.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Hey Mike,

Take a look at this thread from the archives:

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...37801&uid=3903

Here's a second instance of a trim screw without the beveled washer being used for the door panel screw on a 67.

The thread also has a picture of the screw with the beveled washer.

Interesting

if you need another picture of that screw let me know. I started that thread

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Mike,

Can't make Bend due to time constraints. Planning on going for Flight at the NCC Chapter meet in September.

Just got one of those R59 restoration batteries (maintenance free), so this weekends project is to refurb the battery box area and below before I put in. You probably know what years of lead acid batteries will do to the area below.

Then I have a new front carpet set coming with new kick panels. Going to do it right this time with the right carpet cuts.

Then its the clutch and console. Plenty to do on weekends till September.

Figured out that the panel screw is a radio side panel screw. Whether it was there originally, I don't know. I know I had to replace the one on the driver side many years ago with the correct type, but I had to go to a #10 screw because the door threads where stripped. So I might as well replace both to be consistent.

I think at the factory, it must have just depended on what was in the bins on either side at the time. I have even noticed some variance from side to side on fasteners and other things. I think I saw a Restorer story on that.

Would you believe I have a 66 tire pressure decal on the Glove Box door on a late June 67. But this one's a keeper. In 69, when I changed the original tires to Michelin X's, I crossed out the recommended tire pressure, and wrote in the Michelin recommended tire pressure. Who was thinking about restoration then.

But I'm having a lot of fun now, this is a great hobby.

[Mike M.]

Re: 67 door panels...............silly question

Hi Jerry, looks like you are going to be a busy guy for a while.
Good to see you get so much enjoyment form of Ol' Blue.
HaND Mike