I have a January 28,1971 built car? 1B jack. I know parts are given about a 6 month window but this is not a part that is attached to the car on or before the build date. I don't know when they put the jacks in the car especially since this car was so late in January. Thank you for your input.
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Parts on a car cannot be later than the build date. Items were manufactured by outside sources (in this case Auto Specialties Mfg.) and then shipped to St. Louis. The only way I see that a jack made in February could possibly be in a January car is that the car had to go to the repair line and then for some reason had to have the original jack replaced. This is not typical factory production, which is the criterion we use.
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I take it you got the January 28 date from the trim tag. What does the blue certification label on the driver's door say for the build month?TerryComment
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That is what I thought-nothing after build date. Thank you.Comment
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Follow Terry's thought process... He's asking if the build date you quoted was the result of looking at the car's trim tag. If so, that indicates the BODY BUILD date and NOT the car's actual final assy date...
To get the final assy date you go off the VIN and use a birthday calculator to 'interpolate' the actual final assy date. In most cases, the two are very close, but there can be a spread (body was delayed in the paint process due to re-work/touch-up, Etc.) and the date you quote IS very close to month end....Comment
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According o my book the last car built in Jan, 1971 was 108230 and mine was 100+ before that.Comment
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Jan. 28,1971 was a Thursday and Febuary 1st was a Monday. The last VIN on Friday in the birthday book is 108230. I'm with Terry if the mylar label is 02/71 the judge will need to make a close call as shipping the jack to the factory would take some time depending on where they were made.Lyle
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The last car produced in January 1971 had a VIN 108230--correct. The 110886 was the car car produced in February. What is the mylar label you are talking about. I'm talking about the numbers imprinted on the jack 1B. Sorry if I am confused on this.Comment
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There is (or was) a blue mylar certification label on the rear facing of the driver's door which shows the month and year the car came off the line; they are frequently trashed when the car is repainted. The trim tag body build date code and VIN interpolation pegs it to the day, so the cert label wouldn't be helpful anyway. The C3 trim tag was affixed in the Paint Shop, and the actual off-the-line production date is generally the next day, although it's possible to have it be the same day if the tag was affixed early on the first shift and the car came off the line late on the second shift.
Considering that the jack was date-stamped before it was painted and it took some time to be packaged and shipped to St. Louis, then handled in the plant, I'd think it unlikely that a "B1"-stamped jack would have been installed originally in your car. At any rate, the "date" deduction for the jack would only be two or three points.Comment
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What is the point deduction for having a new reproduction jack with no date.Comment
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Hi Paul,
I'm not sure if we talked about jacks a little while ago if if it was someone else posting a similar question. Here's the info from my 71 small block. Engine pad... Jan. 7, 1971. Trim Tag... F14, Jan. 14th. Sequence Number 6589. Jack...0L. Very uneven and light strike.
I hope this helps you narrow down what you're looking for.
Regards,
Alan71 Coupe, 350/270, 4 speed
Mason Dixon Chapter
Chapter Top Flight October 2011Comment
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Paul,
I don't "think" there is a new repro jack for 71s.
If there is, I'd bet it is not 100% correct.
Just leave the jack, and look for a Dec 70 or Jan 71 jack. When you find one, then sell the Feb 71 jack, and not before.
PatrickVice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
71 "deer modified" coupe
72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
2008 coupe
Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.Comment
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Paul
Keep the jack you have. It may get you a deduction but it could be the original. The factory could have forgot the jack or it was stolen and replaced by the dealer and it would not be factory installed. The factory would not have stoped the line if for some reason they run out of jacks like the shipment was lost. The vendor then would rush parts in and add them to cars already built. I have seen rush parts delivered by helicopter. None of thease cases could be proven but it would be interesting to find a VIN close to yours and see what jack was installed.
Use the jack you have and the judge will decide the point loss because it will be a small part of the big picture.Lyle
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