1967 Coupe

[Colin M.]

1967 Coupe

My first question relates to the attachment of the spare tire housing. The judging manual states that the housing is secured by 4 black phosphate half inch hex head bolts with integral washers. I have obtained a set of these from a reliable source, however they have a machined thread with cad plated washers when they appear to require a metal thread design. Can anyone help with this and if possible provide me with a source of these.

My second question relates to kick panels the judging manual statesthat the kick panels are held in place with 6 shoulder type chrome phillips screws. My car and 1 other i have seen have 4 only attaching screws. Which is correct.

[Gerard F.]

Re: 1967 Kick Panel screws

Colin,

On a 67 there are 6 screws which look like this:



Some early 67's, and 66's have 4 of one type and 2 of another in the lower and upper center positions. I don't think that any of the repro's look anything like the originals. The one's I've seen look like a pan head on a flat washer.

On the tire tub screws, I think the JG is correct, black phosphate with integral washer. Mine had E markings but I lost one. So on when a set of repros with the loose washers, but I black phosphated them. The Aim shows that there were also washers with the original screws, so the loose washers are correct. Again none of the repro screws look exactly like the originals.

[Wayne M.]

Re: 1967 Coupe

1967 Coupe

My first question relates to the attachment of the spare tire housing. The judging manual states that the housing is secured by 4 black phosphate half inch hex head bolts with integral washers. I have obtained a set of these from a reliable source, however they have a machined thread with cad plated washers when they appear to require a metal thread design. Can anyone help with this and if possible provide me with a source of these.

Colin -- Here's what is on my early '65; Tech Manual uses same words as your '67. As you can see, these are not integral washers.

[Gerard F.]

Re: 1967 Coupe

Colin,

After looking at Wayne's picture, my original 67 bolts look just like his, except E markings. Non-integral washers. I'll have to did around the garage to find them.

[Mike M.]

Re: 1967 Coupe

Ok, here goes. I apologize in advance for being too wordy and probably confusing.
1st, The pictured bolts will work for you. The term in the JG should be "captured washer" indicating that the washer is separate from the head, loose, but is held on (captured) by the expanded threads.
2nd, when you order the repop interior screw kit for your kick panels, that may include the screws for the radio side panels as well, you will most likely receive 16 screws, all alike, similar to the one pictured above.
In production, in these three locations there were actually four different screw heads.
1. The radio side panel screws are the same as the "integral washer" screws in the "Halo Panel" of a coupe. This style is also used in the forward kick panel position, below the vent grill.
2. The screws on each kick panel windlace trim are different in that the washers of the separate "captured" design.
3. The two upper and lower screws in the center of the Kick Panel (Front to Back) are #8 chrome trim screws with #8 heads within a "conical washer" that has three prongs to spread on the backside of the carpet (similar application as the Thumb Bezel in the Jack Compartment cover). This was intended to hide the screw heads under the carpet loops so they would not be obvious when looking inside the car.
Clear as mud, huh!
You know where to find me.
H. a. N. D.


Have a great day

[John H.]

Re: 1967 Coupe

Colin -- Here's what is on my early '65; Tech Manual uses same words as your '67. As you can see, these are not integral washers.

Most of the midyear JG's are incorrect for this attachment. The assembly manual clearly calls out bolts and separate flat washers (NOT "captured" washers), as shown in Wayne's photo.

[Gerard F.]

Found my 67 tire tub screws

Mike,

The ones in the picture are from a late 67:



Definitely not a captive washer. The 67 AIM shows a separate part number for the washer so I assume it was separate.

On the Kick Panel screws, my late 67 came with 6 identical screws like the picture posted in the above post, as shown in the 67 AIM, UPC1-ASM E-1.
However, there was a change dated 6-17-66 in the AIM, whereby two of the screws in the location you indicate were different. The change made them all the same.

So a guess early 67's, and 66's have the 4 of one type and 2 of the other type, but later 67's have all 6 the same.

I remember putting a set of repros on with the 4 and 2 types. The repros were so different, I wound up just cleaning up the originals and putting them back on when I redid my carpets.

Here's a photo of the back of one of my 67 kick panels showing the ferrules where the screws go:

[Nick C.]

1967 Coupe kick panels



17xxx believed untampered original, right and left panels... not sure how that windlace type screw got installed below the vent grill on the left side. I would not consider that to be typical. I have seen original cars with screws in unexpected positions. Perhaps the installers on the line were less particular than us, or screws fell out and owners mixed up locations early on???

[Gerard F.]

Re: 1967 Coupe

Nick,

Here's the front of my original 67 driver side (vin 22049) for the record:



Only took it off for the first time about 5 years ago. Note the ferrules are all the same. The generic replacements are not like this.

Saved every screw and they are all the same. Next time I'm going to kick butt (Dennis K, are you hearing me), when correct is 4 of one type and 2 of the other. Only 2 points, but it's the principle.

Might just put this one back on for the next time, with the original screws, just to see how it judges.

Having fun, I think I'm fully recouped after the P op. Anybody want to have a contest for distance?

[Colin M.]

Re: 1967 Coupe

To Gerard,Nick,John,Mike,Wayne


A very big thank you for all your great photos and replys. I have only just joined up on the Tech forum and I am truly overwelmed by the help you have all shown me. I originally restored the car in 1987-90 mostly from books and the assembly manual. There were no other mid-year cars in Western Australia so I did not have access to the detail I now have. As many of you know we now have our own chapter in Australia and I am trying to get the car up to scratch for a tilt at a flight award. I kept all the old parts in a steel sea trunk so I guess I will be pulling out some of those old parts and having a new look at them. Of particular help are the photos,I will have to learn how to do this,I guess my three sons will help the" old man" with the tech stuff.

[Nick C.]

Re: Found my 67 tire tub screws

Mike,

On the Kick Panel screws, my late 67 came with 6 identical screws like the picture posted in the above post, as shown in the 67 AIM, UPC1-ASM E-1.
However, there was a change dated 6-17-66 in the AIM, whereby two of the screws in the location you indicate were different. The change made them all the same.

So a guess early 67's, and 66's have the 4 of one type and 2 of the other type, but later 67's have all 6 the same.

I remember putting a set of repros on with the 4 and 2 types. The repros were so different, I wound up just cleaning up the originals and putting them back on when I redid my carpets.

Here's a photo of the back of one of my 67 kick panels showing the ferrules where the screws go:

...attached is a composite from the AIM sheet you mentioned, and it confirms your contention that all 6 kick panel screws were revised to the same type. As I said before, line workers doing it one way may have not caught up with this, perhaps were using up old stock, or ???

I have not seen many proclaimed original 67 cars with all 6 kick panel screws the same. Kinda makes one onder a bit. With this information, I don't think I would deduct for it if the screws are the original type as you pictured and all else is in order; the benefit of the doubt must go to the owner... That said, other judge's opinions may vary.

[Scott S.]

Re: 1967 Coupe

3. The two upper and lower screws in the center of the Kick Panel (Front to Back) are #8 chrome trim screws with #8 heads within a "conical washer" that has three prongs to spread on the backside of the carpet (similar application as the Thumb Bezel in the Jack Compartment cover). This was intended to hide the screw heads under the carpet loops so they would not be obvious when looking inside the car.

Mike,

Is the "conical washer" with three prongs used in place of the regular ferrules/eyelets at the upper & lower middle kick-panel holes (i.e., NO ferrule/eyelet at those two positions), or do the three prongs of the conical washer insert through the existing ferrules/eyelets, and fold-over the backside rim of the ferrule/eyelet on the back side of the kick-panel?

Do you have a picture of the conical washers with three prongs that you could post?

Thank you,
Scott

[Loren L.]

Re: 1967 Coupe

Colin:
Shame on you! I had to read 10 posts for confirmation that this was THE Colin Morris from Western Australia - still in City Beach? Colin and a friend were participants in the 1985 Boston National Convention, so he doesn't qualify as a "newbie".
Was it you or Ron that I provided an assist to on getting a transmission to California for shipment "Down Under" - As I recall it was for a '67, so probably you. If you need further help on parts, let me know. In hindsight, Bober and I should have come to Perth for the America's Cup.
Regards,
LL

To Gerard,Nick,John,Mike,Wayne


A very big thank you for all your great photos and replys. I have only just joined up on the Tech forum and I am truly overwelmed by the help you have all shown me. I originally restored the car in 1987-90 mostly from books and the assembly manual. There were no other mid-year cars in Western Australia so I did not have access to the detail I now have. As many of you know we now have our own chapter in Australia and I am trying to get the car up to scratch for a tilt at a flight award. I kept all the old parts in a steel sea trunk so I guess I will be pulling out some of those old parts and having a new look at them. Of particular help are the photos,I will have to learn how to do this,I guess my three sons will help the" old man" with the tech stuff.