1107352 starter nose ????

[Donald S.]

can someone show me a picture ??? or describe it at least is it aluminum or cast steel ??? my 1107352 has a cast steel nose same as later years for an 11 inch clutch ???? thanks don ...

[Gene M.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

Don,
Can't help you with the P/N but I can offer the following.

The cast iron nose is general use in big blocks. Aluminum nose is general use is small blocks. Aluminum is general use with 153 tooth flywheel and 10.5 inch clutch while cast iron with the 162 tooth flywheel with 11 inch clutch.

There are other combinations with big clutches on small blocks and small flywheels on big blocks.

[Wayne M.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

can someone show me a picture ???

Don -- here's a pic of the starter (alas not a 352 ) on my L78 (note 302 RH exh manifold. This has the aluminum nose with a 153-tooth flywheel on a "403" bellhousing; like the era small blocks.

As Gene says, there were other combos with the small flywheel and the 396 was one of them; (L88's also).

I'm curious to know the # on your bellhousing.

[Joe L.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

can someone show me a picture ??? or describe it at least is it aluminum or cast steel ??? my 1107352 has a cast steel nose same as later years for an 11 inch clutch ???? thanks don ...

Don-----


According to GM, starter GM #1107352 used an ALUMINUM starter nose with with "1 long-1 short" bolt configuration.

I would say that if your 1107352 starter has a cast iron nose on it now, then it's been reconfigured by a rebuilder somewhere along the way. This is very common.

[Bill W.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

I have an orig 7352 at home . I think it has an iron nose? I also have a few photos of it but I dont know how to post them. The light weight fly wheel was used on 65 ,396,67 L88 ,and the 302 Z28s but Im not sure what years. I will look at the nose when I get home tonight ....Bill

[Donald S.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

hi wayne my bellhousing is a 444 and an 11 inch clutch i am now under the understanding that all 65 L78 cars used a 403 but this bellhousing has been on the car a long time but who knows how long ... when i waqs readind in the corvette book by the numbers it says in there that the 444 was used in 65 but all on this site say otherwise ... the 444 was used in 66 would there have been any overlap ???

[Tony S.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

Don. FYI, here's a photo of my original 352 starter taken from my '65 L78 car before I sent it to John Pirkle for his restoration work.

Hope this helps.
Best,
Tony

[Joe L.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

Don. FYI, here's a photo of my original 352 starter taken from my '65 L78 car before I sent it to John Pirkle for his restoration work.

Hope this helps.
Best,
Tony

Tony-----


That's exactly the starter nose I would expect to see on an 1107352 starter.

[Donald S.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

well it seems i have some more shopping to do .... ie bell housing fly wheel cultch ect .........ain't this hobby fun .....!thanks to all for your help ...the aluminum nose is it the same as small blocks then ???? thanks don.

[Joe L.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

hi wayne my bellhousing is a 444 and an 11 inch clutch i am now under the understanding that all 65 L78 cars used a 403 but this bellhousing has been on the car a long time but who knows how long ... when i waqs readind in the corvette book by the numbers it says in there that the 444 was used in 65 but all on this site say otherwise ... the 444 was used in 66 would there have been any overlap ???

Donald-----

I highly doubt that any 1965 L-78 was ever originally built with a GM #3872444 bellhousing. For one thing, IF any 1965 Corvette had been built with a 14" flywheel and 11" clutch, it would have used bellhousing GM #3866982. That bellhousing was the 1965 equivalent of the 3872444. It was used on 1965 passenger car applications which utilized a 14" flywheel and 11" clutch. It was superceded by the 3872444 for the 1966 model year. The 3872444 was used for 1966 and early 1967.

For another thing, if some 1965 L-78's were built with 12-3/4" flywheels and 3858403 (or, 3840383) bellhousings and some were built with 14" flywheels and 3872444 bellhousings, then there would have to have been a difference in suffix codes for the 2 configurations. However, as far as I know, "IF" is the only suffix code ever used for 1965 L-78.

Also, if your 1107352 starter has a cast iron nose using 2 equal length starter bolts of 3-5/8" long, then I think someone has changed the nose on it. The PART NUMBER 1107352 defines a configuration. That configuration includes a starter nose with provisions for "1 short-1 long" starter bolts. I consider it absolutely impossible that GM would have manufactured some 1107352 starters with the aluminum nose for 12-3/4" flywheels and some of the same part number with a cast iron starter nose for 14" flywheels. There would have to have been a part number difference between starters for those 2 applications.

[Joe L.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

well it seems i have some more shopping to do .... ie bell housing fly wheel cultch ect .........ain't this hobby fun .....!thanks to all for your help ...the aluminum nose is it the same as small blocks then ???? thanks don.

Don-----


The aluminum nose is the same one used for small blocks. However, the rest of the starter is different. Small blocks used a "standard torque" starter with different field coils. Big blocks used a "high torque" starter. If your starter is a GM #1107352-stamped frame, then it's very possible that it's still configured for "high torque". You can discern this by looking at the connection between the field coil and the solenoid. With a standard torque configuration, the field coil terminal connects directly to the lug on the solenoid. With the high torque configuration, there is a 3/4" copper, tube-like spacer between the field coil terminal and the solenoid lug.

The problem you will find is that the armature is also slightly different for starters with the aluminum nose versus cast iron nose and the fork is different.

What you can do is to purchase an AC-Delco rebuilt starter of GM #10496870, aka Delco #323-364, and use it for a donor for all the parts you need to reconfigure your 1107352 frame. You could also use the aforementioned rebuilt starter in its entirety for a 100% functional unit for your application. However, it obviously won't have the 1107252 number on the frame.

[Bill W.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

Joe I just checked my 7352 and it has a iron nose . When I bought it at Bloomington in the 90s (vender unknown) The vender let me show it to Mr Pirkle before I paid for it. I remember John saying it was not a restamp and was correct including the nosepeice?????? Bill

[Joe L.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

Joe I just checked my 7352 and it has a iron nose . When I bought it at Bloomington in the 90s (vender unknown) The vender let me show it to Mr Pirkle before I paid for it. I remember John saying it was not a restamp and was correct including the nosepeice?????? Bill

Bill----


Perhaps there was some cast iron-equivalent of the aluminum nose which I'm unaware of. In that regard, what is the bolt configuration of the starter nose? In other words, does it fasten to the block with 2 equal length bolts or does it fasten with a short and long bolt? A picture would be even better.

[Joe L.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

Joe I just checked my 7352 and it has a iron nose . When I bought it at Bloomington in the 90s (vender unknown) The vender let me show it to Mr Pirkle before I paid for it. I remember John saying it was not a restamp and was correct including the nosepeice?????? Bill

Bill------


Could you provide a description (i.e. starter bolt lengths required) or, better yet, a photo of the cast iron nose you have on the 1107352 starter? I'm very interested in this. There might be a starter nose out there that I have not "discovered" yet.

[Bill W.]

Re: 1107352 starter nose ????

Joe it has 2 equal length bolts with 3 bolt holes . it is a very late date August 10/65. Service part I guess .