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  • Wendell S.
    Expired
    • February 28, 2006
    • 9

    NCM/NCRS Relationship

    Vito was at the Museum today to pick up his car and we got to talk for over an hour. When he gets back to New Jersey, he will do an post and update the group. From my perspective, we had an excellent meeting. He permitted me to do some venting as quite honestly, some of the private emails and posts had disturbed me greatly.

    I want to attempt to answer some of the questions that we have seen on the discussion board.

    I have never claimed to be a car guy or a Corvette guy. With the interaction we have with Corvette enthusiasts daily, the primary resource we refer people to get their questions answered is www.ncrs.org. My knowledge of the Corvetteand its history is very limited and probably always will. I am learning a lot, but it is the people side that is what appeals to me and the primary reason I am here.

    My knowledge of the Corvette Museum and its history is considerably different. My involvement does not go all the way back to the first serious meeting that NCRS had concerning a Museum, but it does go back to the first meeting that the community of Bowling Green had on having it located here.

    I say all of that not to brag, but to point out that I know from first hand experience much about the NCM and the role of NCRS in its founding.

    My membership number is Founding Member # 786 and is dated in 1990. My wife and I gave $500 to the NCRS Foundation during the fundraising campaign. The bank where I worked donated $75,000 during that campaign. I served on the fundraising committee to raise funds for the NCM and my targeted area was the Bowling Green community. I was the lone Bowling Green repreentative that attended the January 1989 NCRS board meeting. The bank that I worked at was the lead bank in the loan ($6.6 million) that was used for the construction of the NCM. As the volunteer Chairman of the Bowling Green Chamber of Commerce, I personally made the presentation to the Bowling Green Tourism Commission for their pledge of a portion of the debt service on the $4.3 million bond issue. I personally made the presentation to the City of Bowling Green for the same reason. The County of Warren did not want a formal presentation so we visiting the magistrates at their homes and farms.

    We had many interactions with Ray Battagalani, Dan Gale and Darrel Bowlin to make the dream a reality. We had many brainstorming sessions with them as seemingly times had come to a stop.

    My point quite simply is yes I know the history of the NCRS with the NCM.

    Current NCRS Display - that display has not been up from the beginning. It happened 2-3 years after we became the Executive Director. Will it be permanently removed? The answer is yes and the entire atrium area will undergo significant changes plus it will be the main point for the existing Museum to bridge into the new addition. With the numerous presentations that was made to our board and also to the general public, the fact that all of the existing displays/atrium would be coming out should not have surpised anyone.

    Future Displays to Recognize NCRS - yes, there will be something. We have done very little planning concerning this and 2-3 other exhibit/display areas of the NCM. We know the location of the exhibit/display, but not what will make it up. We believe there is plenty of time to do the planning and it will probably be this fall. Right now getting the construction started timely and staying on target and within budget along with normal operations keeps our extremely busy.

    Make-up of the cars we have on display - I went back today and counted the cars and what generation they were. With my memory not being as good as I would like, I left that information at the office. My recollection is that we had 11 C-1's; 11 C-2's; 12 C-3's; 15 C-4's; 8 C-5's (with the majority of them being Pace Cars) and 12 C-6's with most of them being delivery cars. In addition, we had the rolling chassis for the C-5 and the ZR-1 out of display. We had three concerpt cars, the Nurburdring, the sitter car and the raffle car all out on display. Please keep me in mind that being a living museum, most of the cars will change out every 12 moths or so.

    There are several more points that I want to discuss with you; but quite honestly, I better go to bed as I am struggling staying awake. So please fire back with any questions/comments that any of you have. We will address them in a timely manner.

    Thanks for listening!
  • Dick C.
    Past NCRS President
    • October 31, 1995
    • 450

    #2
    Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

    Wendell,
    Thank you for you response. But the question still remains.
    Does the NCM want to have a permenant NCRS display? If not, why?
    As a Construction Manager, I understand that you can not tell us what the future display area will look like. But committing an area within the museum to NCRS should not be a hard question. I became a NCM member because of NCRS not the other way around. I have my NCM renewal letter on my desk and am on the fence about what I will do. The NCM Board of Directors should think real hard about this matter as the final decision will a lasting impact on the museum.

    Dick Capello
    New England Chapter Chairman
    Dick Capello
    New England Chapter/Mid Atlantic Chapter
    Past NCRS President
    Past Region 1 Director

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    • James G.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • May 31, 1976
      • 1556

      #3
      Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

      Let's all take a deep breath of fresh air. I see that FINALLY....the door is open to fresh new communication.

      We have to all leave some of our ego on the door step. The NCM NEEDS NCRS........and NCRS NEEDS THE NCM.

      So let's have some dialog, and get all the politics out of the way. BOTH groups need to start growing together to have FUN......like the old days.
      Over 80 Corvettes of fun ! Love Rochester Fuel Injection 57-65 cars. Love CORVETTE RACE CARS
      Co-Founder REGISTRY OF CORVETTE RACE CARS.COM

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      • Kenneth B.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • August 31, 1984
        • 2084

        #4
        Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

        Originally posted by James Gessner (943)
        Let's all take a deep breath of fresh air. I see that FINALLY....the door is open to fresh new communication.

        We have to all leave some of our ego on the door step. The NCM NEEDS NCRS........and NCRS NEEDS THE NCM.

        So let's have some dialog, and get all the politics out of the way. BOTH groups need to start growing together to have FUN......like the old days.
        JIM
        I agree. This is what happens when it gets to be all about the money. I saw what happened here in Auburn In. with the ACD museum. I know all museum's need money to keep the doors open but it seems that making money is the main focal point not the cars. TO BAD. Unfortunately the hobby will never be like the old days. Too much money involved now.
        KEN
        65 350 TI CONV 67 J56 435 CONV,67,390/AIR CONV,70 454/air CONV,
        What A MAN WON'T SPEND TO GIVE HIS ASS A RIDE

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        • Clem Z.
          Expired
          • December 31, 2005
          • 9427

          #5
          Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

          Originally posted by Kenneth Barry (7808)
          JIM
          I agree. This is what happens when it gets to be all about the money. I saw what happened here in Auburn In. with the ACD museum. I know all museum's need money to keep the doors open but it seems that making money is the main focal point not the cars. TO BAD. Unfortunately the hobby will never be like the old days. Too much money involved now.
          KEN
          you have to remember if the museum is run by the car enthusiasts it will go broke,you need financial people in charge and that is where the money comes in. these guys dealing in "collectible" corvettes are in it for the money believe me.

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          • Wendell S.
            Expired
            • February 28, 2006
            • 9

            #6
            NCM/NCRS Relationship

            Permanent NCRS Display at the NCM - again, let me first say that nothing is final in this. Our Display Committee has spent very little time discussing this issue.

            If the question is will there be a permanent display like what the NCRS and NCCC has currently, the answer is no. If the question is will the NCRS have a permanent presence in the display area that will be deciated to Corvette organizations, the answer is yes. Please permit me to explain some of the logic behind my opinion/thoughts.

            First and foremost, we should all agree that we want to do what is best for the NCM..........not NCRS.........not NCCC..........not WSCC, etc. The decision was made prior to Wendell coming on board that this will be a National Corvette Museum...........and not a NCRS Foundation Corvette Museum.

            Unless we have a Corvette event going on or a Corvette club visiting the NCM, then on a daily basis the overwhelmingly majority of our visitors (probably over 90%) are Interstate travelers. Many are automotive enthusiasts, but they are not NCM members, NCRS members or members of any club/chapter/council/registry. We try to both entertain them (so they will come back and tell their friends that may be traveling I-65 to stop at the NCM) and educate them with regard to the Corvette and its role in automotive history.

            The NCRS/NCCC displays do not appeal to these folks and if you would be here sometime and just watch our visitors, you would see this. Let me ask each of you and please be honest......(1) has having an NCRS display at the NCM been a factor in you planning a trip to visit the NCM; (2) when you have visited the NCM, how much time have you spent at the NCRS exhibit. Even when we have Corvette enthusiasts here visitng the NCM, about the only ones that spend any time at the NCRS/NCCC exhibits/displays are the members of those organizations. Most of their time is spent trying to see if they are in any of the pictures/video or is someone they know in the pictures.

            Again, when was the last time you visited the NCM..........and when you did how much time did you spend at the NCRS exhibit/display.

            Something I Think NCRS Members Are Overlooking - Our tours begin with the tour guide making reference to the NCRS and their role in the founding of the NCM.

            Several of our display cars are always NCRS member cars. Many will have the NCRS license plate and many will have the award(s) they have received from NCRS. Our tour guides again make reference to NCRS and their mission.

            At the Corvette Hall of Fame, what has been deemed to be the five Founders of the NCM are pointed out. Four of the five were from NCRS and the other from the Corvette Assembly Plant. Our tour guide again points out NCRS.

            Gary Mortimer is in the HOF. Another time the NCRS is mentioned.

            Every day we receive calls inquiring about some aspect of their cars. Many times our Corvette knowledgeable employees answer their questions. Many times we refer them to the NCRS organization and particularly the website as a resource that may be able to help them.

            In my opinion, the NCRS has a far greater presence than it did when the NCM opened. The story about NCRS and its role in the founding of the NCM and its role in the restoration of the Corvette is being told much better and more often than when the NCM opened.

            You cannot tell the story of the NCM without mentioning NCRS. You cannot tell the story of the Corvette without mentioning NCRS. We think we do a good job of this and we know we can always do better. But when it comes right down to it the NCRS exhibit/display as currently structured and presented does very little to help us in a way that is meaningful, educational and entertaining.

            We are confident that there is a better way to accomplish that in the new exhibit/display that NCRS will have a major permanent presence. Will some of what is in the existing be display be used..........probably. Will some of the existing DVD be used...........probably. But we do want to tie the hands and the creativity of whoever will ultimately begin the planning for this display.

            When that times comes and as that person or that firm moves forward with the planning (and particularly as sensitive a subject as this is or has become) the NCM board will be kept informed. The NCRS has a position on the NCM Board that is appointed by the NCRS President. Currently that is John Pirkle who has done a great job in serving as a board member. John will have the opportunity to review that display.

            I ask each of you that after reading this to provide your thoughts and feedback. We regularly remind ourselves, our Board and our management team that we hold up the NCM and make all decisions on what is best for the NCM..........not what is best for me personally and not what is best for your department or area. I welcome your feedback on what is best for the NCM.

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            • James G.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • May 31, 1976
              • 1556

              #7
              Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

              Thanks Wendall. You explained in good detail.

              My advice to concerned NCRS Members, is "get involved" The hobby needs new blood to carry the 'HEARTBEAT'. Chevrolet surely has done a poor job with past 'Heritage History'
              Over 80 Corvettes of fun ! Love Rochester Fuel Injection 57-65 cars. Love CORVETTE RACE CARS
              Co-Founder REGISTRY OF CORVETTE RACE CARS.COM

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              • Wendell S.
                Expired
                • February 28, 2006
                • 9

                #8
                "It's All About The Money"

                Knowing that some folks feel this way bothers me greatly. I received a couple of private emails that basically said the same thing. I believe that anyone that knows me would disagree with that statement.

                We have said from day to our members, to our staff and our board that we all not in the Corvette business...........that the Corvette is what permits us to be in the people business; people pleasing other people business; people serving other people; that it is not about us but about those that we serve.

                We started using the phrase "exceeding expectations" for a campaign we started at the bank in the mid 80's. We have continued using that phrase as our service motto at the Museum. We talk about this regularly at our staff and managers meetings. We clarify that the "expectation" is defined by our members and our visitors.......not by us.

                Our goal is to exceed the expectation of whomever we have an interaction with........both internally and externally. This was our approach day one and is still our approach today.

                We have always believed that profit is a by-product. Mostly it is a by-product of great service. Customer service is what we want to be great at and what we want to be known for.

                My Daddy told me and taught me long ago to not gouge. When I started in banking he told me that usury from the Bible in his opinion was charging folks more interest that I was willing to pay. We try to price our services and our products at a reasonable price.

                We always believe it is consistent and being fair. Most of the feedback that we received early on when we first started was from NCRS members. A fairly common concern was that the NCM was not consistent nor fair; that a lot of favoritism was show and pricing was all over the board with some getting deals and some getting gouged. We want to exceed your expectations in this area also.

                I hope everyone understands that without some profit the NCM would close.

                It is not about the money, it is about exceeding expectations. When we do not exceed anyone's expectations, then please let us know.

                I welcome feedback on this as I struggle understanding what is meant by this phrase.

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                • John S.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • September 30, 1997
                  • 263

                  #9
                  Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

                  Wendell,

                  Thank you for taking time to explain the reasoning behind the direction that the NCM is taking and the role that NCRS will play in the future. After reading your posts, I'm now convinced that the NCM is on the right track to continue to grow in the current environment and that there will be a cooperative relationship between NCRS and NCM. To show my support, I"ll send in my membership to the NCM.

                  Keep up the good work!

                  John Sieczkos

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                  • Rob M.
                    NCRS IT Developer
                    • January 1, 2004
                    • 12692

                    #10
                    Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

                    Originally posted by Wendell Strode (45679)
                    I welcome your feedback on what is best for the NCM.
                    Wendell,

                    Will there be an accessable archive in the new 'NCM' to do research on authentic memo's, diagrams, etc., etc. ?

                    Keep up the good work and spread the word about our beloved cars!!!

                    thanks,
                    Rob.
                    Rob.

                    NCRS Dutch Chapter Founder & Board Member
                    NCRS Software Developer
                    C1, C2 and C3 Registry Developer

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                    • Tom R.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • June 30, 1993
                      • 4079

                      #11
                      Re: Why doesn't NCRS step up and offer to fund such a display?

                      not the individuals...the organization. In today's non-profit world...corporations buy their presence by investing in capital projects such as rooms, display areas, ball fields, auto racing stadiums, etc. If NCRS (the organization and not members) feels the need to maintain a permanent presence...than let it step up and invest in an NCM capital campaign project. I'll support it and with the passion exhibited over the past few days...it sounds like the support would be overwhelming by individual NCRS members. That would show support for the NCM strategic plan.

                      Sure...there have been lots of NCRS members involved in the NCM as detailed here and elsewhere. I'm not hung up about this "permanent display" thing because as pointed out...NCRS presence is all over the museum like the St Louis factory "marriage" of body to chassis assembly by one of our regular contributors to this forum.

                      As Wendell pointed out it's about the people and that's what led the NCM to financial stability back in 1997. I with thousands of others got involved with NCM by introducing the museum to our local club...who now hold a pilgrimage every few years. In fact...that local club could care less about NCRS so that's not its attraction.

                      I for one joined in the grand opening of the NCM in 1993...was there when the call went out for an infusion of passion from enthusiasts in 1997 and will be there when it celebrates its 25th anniversary.
                      Tom Russo

                      78 SA NCRS 5 Star Bowtie
                      78 Pace Car L82 M21
                      00 MY/TR/Conv

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                      • Andy F.
                        Expired
                        • December 31, 2003
                        • 93

                        #12
                        Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

                        I agree ith Tom...NCRS should put up some money to help the museum with the expansion. How about sponsoring the Library and Archives or some other part of the expansion besides a NCRS display?

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                        • Dick W.
                          Former NCRS Director Region IV
                          • June 30, 1985
                          • 10483

                          #13
                          Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

                          Andy et. al. NCRS has made significant donations to the NCM for the purpose for both the Archives and Library Fund, and for the expansion. Numerous chapters donate significant funds each year. I can name several that donate $1,000 or more each year. We have several members that are also making donations of $1,000 or more.

                          In the defense of the NCM, they are in a very elite group of automotive museums. They are self sufficient in that they do not require funds from governmental entities to survive. Automotive museums do not generate enough revenue from visitors to survive. The $10, or $100, or $1,000 donations are what keeps the doors open.
                          Dick Whittington

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                          • Dick C.
                            Past NCRS President
                            • October 31, 1995
                            • 450

                            #14
                            Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

                            My posts regarding the NCRS display at the NCM was only to inform members as to what the museum intentions are towards a future NCRS display/exhibit.
                            I believe that many members do not know the complete history that NCRS has with the museum. Maybe its time for someone who knows how it all started (an NCRS member) to do an article for the Restorer detailing the history of National Corvette Museum and NCRS's involvement.
                            This will serve two purposes, it will promote the museum and also detail the NCRS relationship with the museum for our members.
                            NCRS membership support of the museum comes in many forms, NCM membership dues, purchasing engraved bricks, purchasing items from the museum store, museum delivery of new Corvettes, supporting museum raffles, chapter donations and donations from NCRS National.
                            What more can NCRS do for the museum? Was asking for a permanent NCRS display too much to ask for?
                            Continuing to support of the museum by all NCRS members and our National Board is paramount to all of and to Corvette's past, present and future history.
                            For those of you who are not NCM members here is a link for you, http://services.corvettemuseum.com/PortalTools/NCMF/membership.cfm
                            And I do support the NCM, have done new Corvette delivery, purchased a brick, attended events at the museum and I just sent in my membership renewal.
                            Dick Capello
                            New England Chapter Chairman

                            Originally posted by Dick Whittington (8804)
                            Andy et. al. NCRS has made significant donations to the NCM for the purpose for both the Archives and Library Fund, and for the expansion. Numerous chapters donate significant funds each year. I can name several that donate $1,000 or more each year. We have several members that are also making donations of $1,000 or more.

                            In the defense of the NCM, they are in a very elite group of automotive museums. They are self sufficient in that they do not require funds from governmental entities to survive. Automotive museums do not generate enough revenue from visitors to survive. The $10, or $100, or $1,000 donations are what keeps the doors open.
                            Dick Capello
                            New England Chapter/Mid Atlantic Chapter
                            Past NCRS President
                            Past Region 1 Director

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                            • Andy F.
                              Expired
                              • December 31, 2003
                              • 93

                              #15
                              Re: NCM/NCRS Relationship

                              Thanks Dick. I was not aware that NCRS as an organization has made contributions to the museum. I do know individuals and Chapters have made some significant donations including donating their cars. On my most recent visit, I noticed a 62 Fawn Beige car that was donated to the museum and is appropriately placed in the Route 66 exhibit. My suggestion above would be more like an official sponsorship program...Instead of having an NCRS display in the NCM, what would it cost NCRS to officially sponsor (or buy the naming rights) the "NCRS Library and Archive"? Just a suggestion...

                              I am amazed there is no curator...I'd love that job! I have been to the museum just about once a year and enjoy it each and every time. I cant wait until the expansion is completed. Has GM ever been approached for a permanent display of some of the significant Corvettes in their collection (unless these are privately owned now) the Corvette SS, Manta Ray, and Sting Ray racer for instance? I know they were on display during the 50th Aniversary year, but I would think the draw for Corvette enthusiasts would be huge.

                              Last, Wendall if you are still monitoring the posts, keep up the good work...
                              Last edited by Andy F.; March 23, 2008, 11:26 AM.

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