This seems a bit broad

[David M.]

Anyone want to call for a vote?

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Dave McDufford

[Brian M.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

I'll have my team of lawyers look at it and get back to you.

[Nick C.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

With all due respect, vote on what and why?

If you have a secret and you want it to remain so, why would you post it here or for that matter, on any internet discussion board?

I think the New Board is a positive change superbly directed toward the modern era of "the Hobby"...

[Anthony M.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

I agree with Nick. If you don't want everyone to know don't post it here. That is common language for this type of board. Who says this is a democracy? No need to vote.

[David M.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

Ok if everyone is satisfied with it. It gives the NCRS the right to publish in any medium a study of GM parts by Joe Lucia, cams and lubricants by Duke Williams, any picture posted on the board, etc. I do not understand why it needs to be so broad but I do post enough to really care. If they do not plan to do anything they do not need to assert the right.

Dave

[Wayne P.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

Also reads like you should NOT copy and forward to a friend for their info.

[Roy B.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

Anyone want to call for a vote?

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Dave McDufford

Am I to understand I cant use a posting here (copy) and use it on some other forum as I do on other forums? Also when I delete a pic. It's not gone NCRS owns it? What am I missing here ? I don't understand! also what is this star thing? people voting on weather a post is good or bad??

[Wayne M.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

Let's suppose -- I take a digital pic; transfer it to my computer (where it resides, along with a back-up copy burned to DVD).

Then, there happens a thread on Corvette Forum to which this picture might add to the discussion or answer a question, so I post the pic to Photobucket hosting site (who, by the way also claim to own everything submitted), with a link to the CF thread.

Then, a month later, same subject comes up on NCTS TDB, so I post this same pic, again thru a link to Photobucket, entirely in the spirit of adding to the discussion.

So who owns the rights to the picture ? Me (the originator); Photobucket (the primary link from me to message boards), Corvette Forum (the first message board link recipient), or NCRS (the second message board link
recipient) ??

[Christopher R.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

Yes, it is broad. NCRS did that on purpose. Probably paid a lawyer a fair amount of your dues money for it too. NCRS is looking to give itself unlimited flexibility with regard to any intellectual property (IP) that might get posted here.

If you have some IP that you wish to protect, don't post it on an Internet bulletin board. You can't expect the bulletin board owner to protect your IP rights.

[Verle R.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

I agree with Nick. If you don't want everyone to know don't post it here. That is common language for this type of board. Who says this is a democracy? No need to vote.

Anthony,

The question is not about not wanting everyone to know, that is why people post here, to ask questions and get answers and discussion about the subject.

The problem is, when someone such as Duke, Joe or others provide an expert opinion NCRS now owns that information, not the person who posted it; including pictures.

As for voting, NCRS is a corporation, the membership are the shareholders and the membership can vote for or against their regional representative if that person is not doing what the membership wants. That includes making decisions like this.

The above response copyright 2008 by Verle Randolph

[Kevin M.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

I'm holding off posting pictures till this is straightened out, I post for the education of the membership not to furnish pictures for upcoming NCRS income streams.

This part also needs explaining.

"Please be aware that participants can be held legally liable for posted comments"

Am I going to be sued if the advice I give gets a deduction on the judging field?
If I tell someone there were no AO Smith sidepipe cars and he knows his car is original and because I wrote a post that I ruined the sale of his car.
From a post defameing a stamp pad as suspect can the owner sue me for liable?

What exactly does this mean?


Kevin

[Dick W.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

This part also needs explaining.

"Please be aware that participants can be held legally liable for posted comments"


Kevin

Kev, this holds true for any public comments on any forum, whether this one, VH, CF, etc. If someone perceives that you have slandered, defamed, or otherwise harmed them in some way they can sue you. Doesn't mean that they can or will win, but the potential liability is there. I know of at least one instance where civil action was threatened because of defamation of character (not on this forum but another).

[Roy B.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

I never cared who owns information I might provide , I've always hoped that some one in NCRS in the click which is not ME , would get interested by looking into it or asking members about it! In the past it has happened . I would not think any member that freely give info had the idea of owning it , they JUST would like to be recognized for it which few are when re-written by SOME other member . To much info provided by past SACE members were never recognized by any one.
I encourage any one to follow up on any posting I did and I don't have the need to be recognized , I only wont to see the JM improved.
Well that how I see it!!!

[Duke W.]

Re: This seems a bit broad

Anyone want to call for a vote?

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Dave McDufford

Dave, I think this is a standard "cover the world/cover your a**" legal disclaimer that you see all the time, today, and I recall signing similar statements when submitting material for publication in The Corvette Restorer.

I also recall in-processing my first day on the job at GM as a freshly minted ME. The first thing they made me do was sign over patent rights to anything I developed.

Just about everything done by NCRS is by non-paid volunteers, including authoring articles that appear in the publications and this forum. We have no expectation of monetary or any other form of compensation regardless of what happens to our work.

I don't have any problem if NCRS wants to publish anything I write here. All I ask is that whoever is running the show credit me as the author and allow me to edit whatever I have written here for accuracy, grammar, and style, which has always been the case including the publishers of some chapter newsletters who've published some of my drivel.

We're all here to share information and knowledge, and none of us profit from it, monetarily. I appreciate the opportunity to occasionally publish what I write. I've probably had as many words published (in various car club publications) as some professional writers, but it's a tough way to make a living, and I'm glad I pursued other professions that gave me an opportunity to retire early and pursue my avocations.

It's easy to copy and paste anything from one forum to another, and it happens all the time. I believe the legal issues are complicated and unresolved, but, from a practical standpoint, I think anything written on a public forum is essentially in the public domain.

Duke