Frame VIN transfer to another frame

[Edward M.]

Re: Frame VIN transfer to another frame

There is legal precedence that states that the frame of a vehicle is the basis for that vehicle. Came up many years ago when one person owned the frame of a car, and another person owned the body with the VIN tag. Court ruled that the frame was the basis of the vehicle, and the owner of the frame owned the VIN number.

Which brings up two points. 1. People selling their original chassis as they turn their cars into resto-mods with custom frames are, in fact, selling the VIN number, even though they don't realize it. 2. 1953 serial #3 is potentially owned by the person that has the frame.

What does this have to do with the topic under discussion? Simple: If you elect not to "replace" the VIN on your replacement frame, don't let the number get away from you.

[Edward M.]

Re: Frame VIN transfer to another frame

There is legal precedence that states that the frame of a vehicle is the basis for that vehicle. Came up many years ago when one person owned the frame of a car, and another person owned the body with the VIN tag. Court ruled that the frame was the basis of the vehicle, and the owner of the frame owned the VIN number.

Which brings up two points. 1. People selling their original chassis as they turn their cars into resto-mods with custom frames are, in fact, selling the VIN number, even though they don't realize it. 2. 1953 serial #3 is potentially owned by the person that has the frame.

What does this have to do with the topic under discussion? Simple: If you elect not to "replace" the VIN on your replacement frame, don't let the number get away from you.

[Rick S.]

Re: Frame VIN transfer to another frame

Ed,
What state did this legal ruling come from? Also, what was the court level?

Regards,
Rick

[Rick S.]

Re: Frame VIN transfer to another frame

Ed,
What state did this legal ruling come from? Also, what was the court level?

Regards,
Rick

[Edward M.]

Re: Frame VIN transfer to another frame

Wish I could tell you that. I read it many years ago, and have searched for it a number of times since then, with no luck.

[Edward M.]

Re: Frame VIN transfer to another frame

Wish I could tell you that. I read it many years ago, and have searched for it a number of times since then, with no luck.

[Stephen L.]

Re: Best read your judging manuals again

So, How did "The Last Stingray" get by..... or a miriad of 67 427/435's? People go to great extremes to make the restamp undetectable, none the less they ARE restamps. "Original" means it left St Louis in the car it resides in, not in another car or over a counter. Now if someone admits to NOM then everything is above board.....

[Stephen L.]

Re: Best read your judging manuals again

So, How did "The Last Stingray" get by..... or a miriad of 67 427/435's? People go to great extremes to make the restamp undetectable, none the less they ARE restamps. "Original" means it left St Louis in the car it resides in, not in another car or over a counter. Now if someone admits to NOM then everything is above board.....

[Mike E.]

Re: Frame VIN transfer to another frame

The dark blue 63 Gulf Oil racer that was rebodied (unbeknownst to the owners) had the frame, tag, and title from the original, and the rebody. The other individual had the original 3/4ths of the body. After a protracted lawsuit, the judge ruled that neither could claim that the had the "Gulf Oil 63 Z06 racer". That somewhat flies in the face of what was said earlier in this discussion.

[Mike E.]

Re: Frame VIN transfer to another frame

The dark blue 63 Gulf Oil racer that was rebodied (unbeknownst to the owners) had the frame, tag, and title from the original, and the rebody. The other individual had the original 3/4ths of the body. After a protracted lawsuit, the judge ruled that neither could claim that the had the "Gulf Oil 63 Z06 racer". That somewhat flies in the face of what was said earlier in this discussion.

[Michael B.]

[Michael B.]

[Michael W.]

Re: Best read your judging manuals again

If a component/feature of a car is typical of factory production it gets no deduct. If it is detectable, the judge should deduct accordingly.

If you are suggesting that a pad was detected as NOT being typical and the judge did not take the appropriate deduction, then an error might have been committed.

If I read your posts correctly, you believe that Flight Judging establishes and certifies that components/features of a car are the 'orignal' ones that it left the factory with. This is not the case.

[Michael W.]

Re: Best read your judging manuals again

If a component/feature of a car is typical of factory production it gets no deduct. If it is detectable, the judge should deduct accordingly.

If you are suggesting that a pad was detected as NOT being typical and the judge did not take the appropriate deduction, then an error might have been committed.

If I read your posts correctly, you believe that Flight Judging establishes and certifies that components/features of a car are the 'orignal' ones that it left the factory with. This is not the case.

[Chuck S.]

Re: Frame VIN transfer to another frame

Mike, there is the "letter of the law", and there is the practical implementation of daily law enforcement.

Law enforcement officers that are concerned about a frame VIN that doesn't match the body VIN plate on a 40 year old car don't have enough to do...probably the result of overstaffing. In Texas, if somebody ain't getting murdered, raped, assaulted, robbed, or a lot of people getting conned, then law enforcement is pretty much going to let the parties work it out themselves. Unless someone is complaining really loudly, you would never be found in possession of an altered frame VIN in Texas, because they're NEVER checked!

Now, if you moved to Texas, law enforcement would have to do a mandatory inspection of the body VIN plate and the vehicle before it's eligible for registration in Texas. It seems that would be the perfect time for law enforcement to find out whose swapping frames and other such components. But, apparently, they don't have time for such rigourous checks...there is no crawling all over, and under, your car checking VIN stamps; they check the body VIN carefully and dat's dat.

In the previous post, it seems highly unusual that a lawyer/judge that probably doesn't know **** from Shinola about cars, would pick the frame VIN over the more widely accepted and required body VIN as the determinant of ownership...something stinks in Denmark right there (referring to the judge, not the poster). But, if the frame were in bad enough condition to replace in the first place, then it would seem prudent to "format it's hard drive" before cutting it up for scrap.

Fortunately, such attention and adherance to the "letter of the law" would be way down on my list of reasons for not wanting to live in California, but then that's me.