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  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 1, 1993
    • 15672

    California "Leno's Law " update... GOOD NEWS!!!

    California SB 712 that proposes a new 35 year rolling exemption from emission testing passed the California Senate Appropriations Committee last week on a 5 - 1 vote, but will be amended as follows:

    Provide a smog check exemption for a motor vehicle that meets the following criteria:
    o The vehicle is at least 35 years old.
    o The vehicle has been issued a “Historical Vehicle” special identification plate.
    o The vehicle is insured as a collector vehicle.


    The complete committee report (two pages) is here:



    As of this writing, the actual text of the bill with the above amendments is not yet posted online.

    As you may recall when this bill was presented early this year it included a requirement for "collector car insurance". That was removed in March, but is now back in. It remains to be seen how this plays out as I do not believe there is a specific legal definition of "collector car insurance policy".

    "Historical Vehicle" license plates have been around for some time. Going back about 20 years '76-up model year HV plate cars did not require biennial emission testing, however, there was no statutory authority for this. It was an error the way the DMV computers were programmed, and the software was modified about eight years ago to require emission testing on all '76-up cars. The basic algorithm is odd VINs require emission testing in odd years and even VINs in even years.

    Historical Vehicle license plates don't seem to have much popularity and are fairly rare. They are white with red letters. "Historical Vehicle" is spelled out on the left side of the plate and the right side has three digits and a letter. The actual license number in the DMV database and on the registration certificate is, for example, HV382N.

    A little known benefit of HV plates, even for pre-'75 cars, is a reduction in VLF (vehicle license fee, often referred to as the "car tax") that is based on the value of the car. This rate is currently 0.65 percent, but has been as high as 2 percent in the recent past. For example if you buy a new car for $50,000 the VLF is $325 for the first two years, then drops by 10 percent each year as the vehicle's value is depreciated linearly by 10 percent each year until it reaches i10 percent of the purchase price and remains there as long as you own the vehicle.

    The same applies if you buy a vintage car for $50,000, but if you license it with HV plates, the VLF is TWO DOLLARS per year regardless of what you paid for it. This will obviously yield a significant reduction in licensing fees over the years.

    There is a one time fee of $25 for HV plates. Normal basic license fees and any other fees other than the VLF will be the same as your other vehicles.

    Here's the application form pdf on the CA DMV Web site:

    ​​​​https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/upload...3/reg17a-1.pdf

    The form's name is REG 17A (REV. 11/2017) and what you sign up for is as follows:

    "I certify that I understand these plates may only be placed on a motor vehicle manufactured after 1922, which is at least 25 years old and is of historic interest. I also certify that I understand that the vehicle for which these plates are issued is primarily driven in historical exhibitions, parades, or historical club activities."

    Note that the operative word here is primarily. It doesn't preclude pleasure drives, maintenance drives, or any other drives that are not specifically related to the stated uses.

    CAUTION: BEWARE, there is an earlier version of REG 17A on the Web, REV. 7/2011, that replaces primarily with ONLY. DO NOT USE THIS FORM. Only download the form from the DMV link listed above, and verify that it is the REV. 11/2017 version.

    Another outcome from the Appropriations Committee is that if the bill becomes law, it won't be effective until January 1, 2027. At that point 1992 and prior model years will be exempt, and then 1993 in 2028, 1994 in 2029, and so on.

    I believe the next step is a California Senate floor vote. I don't have a time frame, but I will report back when I do. At that point we need a full court press for passage. This bill appears to have significant bipartisan support and momentum, but California car enthusiasts and supporters, whether you own an affected vehicle or not need to contact their California Senator and plead for passage of SB 712.

    Duke
    Last edited by Duke W.; May 28, 2025, 12:36 PM.
  • Michael J.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • January 27, 2009
    • 7122

    #2
    So this then means the car has to meet all 3 of the criteria listed above? That seems very restrictive.
    Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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    • Mark F.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • July 31, 1998
      • 1525

      #3
      In Pennsylvania, an Antique, Classic, or Collectible Registration Plate is currently $96. When I got my plate in 1998, If my memory serves me correctly, I think it was a one-time $25 fee…and never had to be renewed + hugely important, no PA inspection requirement of any kind, (but of course w/ use restrictions). Now PA also adds a $67 certificate of title fee (I don’t know what’s involved with that) + there is an additional $128 fee to personalize your plate.
      thx,
      Mark

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      • Duke W.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • January 1, 1993
        • 15672

        #4
        The alternative is having to get an emission test every two years on post-'75 vehicles for as long as you own the car and want to legally license it for public road use.

        All post-'75 California cars require biennial emission testing, and the ASM (Acceleration Simulation Mode) test is required on models through 1999 in "enhanced areas", which includes most of California other than remote areas were few people live. The ASM test requires specific test equipment including a chassis dynamometer, exhaust gas analyzer equipment, and specific computer/software and other test equipment, like for fuel filler cap pressure holding testing.

        Post '99 models don't need this. The emission test is just an OBD II check for fault codes and some simple visual inspections. Since there are fewer and fewer pre-2000 cars, test stations are deactivating or not repairing their ASM systems when they break down. So it's getting more and more difficult to find test stations that have the equipment and prices are increasing to usually over a hundred dollars plus the time to and from the test station, waiting to be tested, and so on. And if you fail...

        I think most guys with vintage cars already have conforming insurance policies.

        The HV plate requires a few minutes to download a pdf form, fill it out, and submit it to DMV along with 25 bucks.

        (I've heard some guys whine about about "losing" their YOM plates, but only CA cars through '69 , '72 for "commercial vehicles", are eligible for YOM plates, and they are already exempt from emission testing so it's a non-issue.)

        If SB 712 passes it will be up to each affected owner to decide what to do... get HV plates and a conforming insurance policy or deal with the increasingly difficult process of biennial emission testing.

        To me it's no-brainer, and I already have HV plates and qualifying insurance on my affected cars.

        It's been about 20 years since the rolling 25-year emission test waiver was frozen at the 1975 model year. If SB 712 fails, when will the next opportunity arise to exempt vintage cars from emission testing? ... probably not until long after most of us are dead!

        My advice: Don't look a gift horse in the mouth!

        Duke

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        • David G.
          Very Frequent User
          • May 31, 1980
          • 275

          #5
          Originally posted by Mark Francis (30800)
          In Pennsylvania, an Antique, Classic, or Collectible Registration Plate is currently $96. When I got my plate in 1998, If my memory serves me correctly, I think it was a one-time $25 fee…and never had to be renewed + hugely important, no PA inspection requirement of any kind, (but of course w/ use restrictions). Now PA also adds a $67 certificate of title fee (I don’t know what’s involved with that) + there is an additional $128 fee to personalize your plate.
          This is still quite a bargain if you plan to keep your Antique car for an extended period of time. Pa. Is much less restrictive than
          some other states.

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          • Dave P.
            Very Frequent User
            • June 30, 1991
            • 192

            #6
            Too bad the restrictions were added. My junk passes smog. If in the future it doesn't, and I can't fix it, I'll keep it insured, but drive it anyway in So Cal. A car does not have to be registered to be insured. Unlike in the past, there's currently very little LEO presence. I'll take the risk of getting caught with expired tags; its pretty low.

            There is a legal way around the biennial check. Easy, costs nothing to do, and is no hassle at renewal time. The paperwork is delivered to my mail box at the house, but the car is "domiciled" in a non-inspected county (Mono). Also keeps the activity on carfaux to a minimum.

            The reduction in VLF for HV plates is interesting. I didn't know aboot that. My 85 and 92 Corvettes and my 97 993 were all delivered new in So California, have always been owned by So Californians, and all retain their original-issue CA plates. F or my two cars of interest (the 85 and the 993), my original-issue California plates are evidence of greater 'historical value' than an ugly-a$$ plate that says it is, and are more important to me to retain than a reduction in VLF at renewal time.

            With the amendments, SB 712 is a nothing-burger. I don't care if it passes or not. I'm not going to change my plates or get Collector Insurance. Collector Insurance is a hassle, and for myself, more expensive than my 'regular' policy. I already stated my preference to retain my original-issue plates.

            Typical Blue-State California politics. If there is even a hint of a possibility of the loss of a single bureaucrat's wages, benefits and pension, it gets watered-down so that losses in personnel are minimized because there is little impact.
            Last edited by Dave P.; May 29, 2025, 01:47 PM.

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            • Boyan B.
              Very Frequent User
              • August 31, 1999
              • 189

              #7
              I certainly hope we can get some relief on the emissions issue. I recently had a lot of trouble smogging my 1989 Toyota Pickup. Every place I went I was met with the same response…..our equipment is broken…..

              I finally found a gas station in Calabasas that could do it..

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