Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

[Dan D.]

Re: My 57 (again)

The hold-down bolt has a thick rubber washer (spacer) installed (somehow). The AIM is not clear just where it goes. It looks like it is supposed to go under the tub, but that does not make any sense to me, as just what does it do if installed between the bottom of the tub and the nut plate.

If it goes in the recessed area on the inside of the bottom of tub, then maybe it does something.

Additionally, my car does not have a hole (that I can find) for the clamp that holds the lug wrench. It may have been glassed over. If someone could post a picture showing the lug wrench and the folding jack handle I would appreciate it much.

Thanks,

Dannn

[Dan D.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Re: My 57 (again)

The hold-down bolt has a thick rubber washer (spacer) installed (somehow). The AIM is not clear just where it goes. It looks like it is supposed to go under the tub, but that does not make any sense to me, as just what does it do if installed between the bottom of the tub and the nut plate.

If it goes in the recessed area on the inside of the bottom of tub, then maybe it does something.

Additionally, my car does not have a hole (that I can find) for the clamp that holds the lug wrench. It may have been glassed over. If someone could post a picture showing the lug wrench and the folding jack handle I would appreciate it much.

Thanks,

Dannn

Good Morning forum,

I did not receive any reply's to this post (66 experts opened it), so I have been winging it on my own.

I glued the large rubber spacer to the inside of the tub, even though the AIM looks like it goes underneath the tub, which makes no sense to me.

I purchased the lug wrench and jack handle hold-down clamps from CC. The lug wrench C-style clamp they supplied is for 1/2" thick material, the lug wrench is 9/16 diameter. There is no way this clamp will fit over the lug wrench. So far I have not been successful in finding a clamp that will work.

There are 3 versions of the jack handle clamp. I have the second style, CC supplied the third version. So I can use which ever version I want. The CC clamp was over-bent and did not capture the handle very tight, but I bent it down some in my vice and it now fits good. But the question is how is the free (tang end) section of the handle secured? It will just flop around in there.

A couple of pics and a few words would help a lot.

Best,
Dann

[Howard H.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Dan; on a 58 the rubber spacer fits on the bottom of the tub and part that holds the nut on the frame. More or les centered so the hold down bolt will go thru it.
Howard Hilller

[Howard H.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Dan;
meant to say between the bottom and the frame bracket.
Howard

[Dan D.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Thank You Howard. I will re-locate my rubber. I don't know what purpose it serves below, but apparently the AIM is correct.

Now all I need is some info on the lug/jack handle clips.

Dannn

[Rod K.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Dan, I believe the rubber spacer just provides a non-abrasive bearing surface to support the bottom of the tub when the spare is in place and tightened down & prevents the frame bracket from wearing through the fiberglass as the body moves around when driving.

As to the clips, the pics on CC's website appear correct depending upon your VIN. All used the J-shaped clip as the jack handle hold down which might explain (if I understood your post correctly) why your clips appeared to be the wrong size. Free end just locates under the edge of the division panel at the front of the trunk. The "flat" clip was for the lug wrench and three versions were used 56 & 57. First had two holes for rivets to hold clip to the floor. Second used one screw near the bend with a tab formed down to locate in a hole in the floor through about '57 VIN 4750. Third used two screws to mount. If you look at their catalog on pg 141, lower right corner there's a sketch which shows relative location of the parts in question.

Hope this answers some of your questions.

[Frank C.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Dan, are you referring to (rubber) pad shown in 14-1, part number 3686188? I believe there are three foam rubber pads glued to the bottom of the plywood cover. Could that be your answer? They would keep the cover from squeaking against the jack, etc.

On the hold down clips for the jack handle and lug wrench. I have my originals but I don't have the tools they are supposed to hold down. I remember a long time ago, Mike Hunt doing a inquiry on these clips so there must have been some mid year changes or substitutions or something. If you want I can take some pictures of my '57, number 4906 (last day of June) so you can see the clips I have and where they are. Frank Condron, Edna, Texas.

[Dan D.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Dan, are you referring to (rubber) pad shown in 14-1, part number 3686188? I believe there are three foam rubber pads glued to the bottom of the plywood cover. Could that be your answer? They would keep the cover from squeaking against the jack, etc.

On the hold down clips for the jack handle and lug wrench. I have my originals but I don't have the tools they are supposed to hold down. I remember a long time ago, Mike Hunt doing a inquiry on these clips so there must have been some mid year changes or substitutions or something. If you want I can take some pictures of my '57, number 4906 (last day of June) so you can see the clips I have and where they are. Frank Condron, Edna, Texas.

Hi Frank,

Thanks for responding back to me.

No, I have the rubber pads on the plywood cover. This is a rubber -tube- like 'thinie' that goes under the tub at the hold-down bolt hole, and I have that problem solved.

If you would shoot me a pic of the clamps that would be great. Its the location of the left side lug wrench clip that I would like to install somewhere near where it is suppose to go. On mine the hole must have been glassed over or something as it is non-existent.

Thanks again Frank.

Dan

[Frank C.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Lug wrench clip location: fwd hole is about 1-7/16" from the side and 10" forward from rear edge of the body panel. The rwd hole is about 1-15/16" from the side and 8-7/16 from the back edge of the body pane. Get one of 'em close and use the clip for a template. This should get you very close.
All I have on the jack handle side is the hole at 1-15/16" from the edge and 10-1/2" from the rear edge.
I forgot that I don't have that clip. Based on your experience, is the CC part correct for my 4906 car?
Also I want to start a new thread but I can't remember how and I can't fiIMG_0182.jpgnd out how. Would you tell me how please?IMG_0181.jpg

[Dan D.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Dan, I believe the rubber spacer just provides a non-abrasive bearing surface to support the bottom of the tub when the spare is in place and tightened down & prevents the frame bracket from wearing through the fiberglass as the body moves around when driving.

As to the clips, the pics on CC's website appear correct depending upon your VIN. All used the J-shaped clip as the jack handle hold down which might explain (if I understood your post correctly) why your clips appeared to be the wrong size. Free end just locates under the edge of the division panel at the front of the trunk. The "flat" clip was for the lug wrench and three versions were used 56 & 57. First had two holes for rivets to hold clip to the floor. Second used one screw near the bend with a tab formed down to locate in a hole in the floor through about '57 VIN 4750. Third used two screws to mount. If you look at their catalog on pg 141, lower right corner there's a sketch which shows relative location of the parts in question.

Hope this answers some of your questions.

Hi Rod,

Thank You for your help.

Since I got the car painted last winter I have been working on a multitude of small stuff trying to get the car completely back together and as correct as possible. The car will never be judged, it has been altered way too much back in the day when just about everybody changed something on their cars, and raced them to boot. My car was no exception, and it was hit hard in the left rear at some point in its earlier life.

You have some good thoughts about the rationale for the purpose of the rubber tube. but I'm not sure I agree with you. I learned a long time ago that you cannot second guess as to why or how a Detroit Engineer did something 66 years ago.

The tub is spaced above the rear cross-member by about 1/2", so the tub and cross-member never touch. The body is secured with body bolts at both ends of the cross-member with hard rubber cushions top and bottom, so I don't think it is going to move around too much.

Thinking about it some, I think it may be to help guide the bolt into the nut plate. You have to wiggle the bolt around some to get it into the hole in the tube, and then it may not line up real well with the nut. The rubber will guide the bolt into the nut. The bolt is pointed at the end to help with this problem. It also may provide some waterproofing, as it is an open hole into the tub. Other than this, who knows!


I will respond to the clip problem, probably tomorrow. I have just discovered that my car has another story to tell. I am short on time right now. Got company coming for a birthday dinner.

I 'vented' somewhat as my post went 8 days, had 66 people view it, but nobody responded. If a post goes 8 days without a response, it is usually just about dead, so I wrote a follow-on post with more info and some updates.

I thought if I could get this trunk stuff squared away, which should be easy and low tech, then that is just one more thing I can wipe off the to-do list and move on to the next problem. But 8 days of nothing has put me back some. So I am sorry if I came on a little strong.

Dan D.

[Dan D.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Lug wrench clip location: fwd hole is about 1-7/16" from the side and 10" forward from rear edge of the body panel. The rwd hole is about 1-15/16" from the side and 8-7/16 from the back edge of the body pane. Get one of 'em close and use the clip for a template. This should get you very close.
All I have on the jack handle side is the hole at 1-15/16" from the edge and 10-1/2" from the rear edge.
I forgot that I don't have that clip. Based on your experience, is the CC part correct for my 4906 car?
Also I want to start a new thread but I can't remember how and I can't fi[ATTACH=CONFIG]123597[/ATTACH]nd out how. Would you tell me how please?[ATTACH=CONFIG]123596[/ATTACH]

Hi Frank,

Thank You. This will help.

To post a new thread go to the top of the forum technical discussion page and near the top on the left side there is a block that says "Post New Thread". Just click on it.

Hold off on the clip discussion. The CC parts may be correct after all. I just discovered that my car has another story to tell, but I don't have any time right now. Got company coming for a birthday dinner, so probably tomorrow.

The third version of the 2 hole clip that CC sells is correct for your car.

Dan D.

[Dan D.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

Folks,

The longer flat lug wrench clip on my car is installed on the right (passenger) side. After reading Rod's response and looking at Frank's photo, I went and looked in the AIM (don't know why I didn't do that before), and I see that this clip is on the wrong side of the car. It was the correct second version clip (probably original), painted Venetian Red just like the trunk, 2 holes, 2 tabs, and 1 screw, just like it was suppose to be. It looks just like it belongs there, it is just on the wrong side is all. This is not the only secret this car has kept from me. But it explains why I thought one CC clip was to large and other one to small. So the CC clips are probably okay. I tried re-bending them back to original size and shape, but they did not come out too good, so I am going to buy new ones. Spring steel does not bend too good, and it breaks easily.

So if someone could post a picture of the j-clip's location on the right side I would appreciate it.

It looks like the tang section of the jack handle is not secured. I may put a small black cable tie on it just to keep it from moving around.

Frank, CC sells these clips as a pair, so you will get both. They are powder coated black, so to be correct you will have to paint them, and the screw heads, beige to match your interior and trunk color. The clips were installed before the trunk was painted.

Looking at Frank's photo, and now knowing the exact location of the lug wrench clip, I looked again for any tell tail signs of a repair. Top side there is no evidence of a repair, but re-looking underneath, and now knowing the general location of the lug wrench clip, I found a spot that looks like some resin, the size of 2 screw holes, had run down, The location looks to be right about where the clip would have been. These are most likely the clip holes, glassed over.

Thanks for everyone's help on this. I think we all may have learned something from this thread.

Dan

[Dan D.]

Re: Spare Tire Bolt Hold-Down Hardware

I bought new clips from CC. Happy to report they fit fine, once you put the right clip on the right tool. Just my car must have had some changes made to it in the past. So i apologize to CC. Their parts are fine.

Dan D.