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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43219

    #16
    Re: Paul's chrome plating in evans city Pa closing

    Originally posted by Richard Roupe (51187)
    I live about 4 miles from them. I was planning to take some parts from a new project I have going but I wasn't looking forward to the quote. They were pretty proud of their work since there prices were always much higher than you would expect. However I could trust they would do a good job. I'll take a drive by this week to see if there is anyone around.

    Rich
    Rich------

    Plating is very expensive, especially for small shops if they are pre-treating their wastewater to federal and local requirements. If they are not and they are in a area with an unsophisticated regulatory program and they base their charges as if they were pre-treating, they can make a lot of profit until the local program "upgrades their sophistication".

    I ran such a regulatory program, one of the if not the first EPA approved program in the United States, for 33 years in a jurisdiction that had many industrial users, including platers. In fact, I was charged with this program well before there were even EPA requirements for such a program. Our purpose for the program when it began was to ensure that our treatment plant could meet its discharge requirements since many industrial pollutants, especially the kinds discharged by platers, are not removed by municipal treatment plants. But, treatment plants do have requirements as to their discharge.

    However, I used to tell my industrial customers that my staff and I enforced the regulations not primarily for the benefit of the environment but for the benefit of those companies that did comply with the requirements. To allow those that do not comply to continue to do so places those that do comply at a competitive disadvantage, in the case of platers a HUGE one.

    To be clear, I am not saying that any of this applies to the plating shop in question as there are many possible reasons for their closure. But, I've seen the scenario I described occur many times.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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    • Mark F.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • July 31, 1998
      • 1524

      #17
      Re: Paul's chrome plating in evans city Pa closing

      Originally posted by Joe Lucia (12484)
      Rich------

      Plating is very expensive, especially for small shops if they are pre-treating their wastewater to federal and local requirements. If they are not and they are in a area with an unsophisticated regulatory program and they base their charges as if they were pre-treating, they can make a lot of profit until the local program "upgrades their sophistication".

      I ran such a regulatory program, one of the if not the first EPA approved program in the United States, for 33 years in a jurisdiction that had many industrial users, including platers. In fact, I was charged with this program well before there were even EPA requirements for such a program. Our purpose for the program when it began was to ensure that our treatment plant could meet its discharge requirements since many industrial pollutants, especially the kinds discharged by platers, are not removed by municipal treatment plants. But, treatment plants do have requirements as to their discharge.

      However, I used to tell my industrial customers that my staff and I enforced the regulations not primarily for the benefit of the environment but for the benefit of those companies that did comply with the requirements. To allow those that do not comply to continue to do so places those that do comply at a competitive disadvantage, in the case of platers a HUGE one.

      To be clear, I am not saying that any of this applies to the plating shop in question as there are many possible reasons for their closure. But, I've seen the scenario I described occur many times.
      Joe,

      Agree with what you are saying...and having also worked in the Environment, Health & Safety fields for decades, I've been in plating operations large (Ford) and small. When I visited Paul's new place in Evans City (after their Mars, PA facility burned down), I would have to say the work environment there seemed pretty darn good considering all the nasty stuff you find in plating operations.

      Paul's website describes their position and attitudes regarding waste management here https://www.paulschrome.com/index.ph...-environmental

      A check of the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection (PADEP) public records website indicates they are covered by 2 DEP Programs:
      ❶ Clean Water and
      ❷ Waste Management

      Although I'm a bit surprised (maybe uniformed ?) they would not also be covered by some sort of Air Program, since Oct 1999, DEP has conducted 24 Site-Level and Primary Facility-Level Inspections. A quick review of inspection details indicates observations noted by DEP have been addressed, abated, or vacated. So, they appear to be one of the good guys and that could be why I've heard people say they were not cheap (I have no means to compare if that was thru or not).

      Sorry to see them go. They were nice folks.
      thx,
      Mark

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      • Owen L.
        Very Frequent User
        • September 30, 1991
        • 868

        #18
        Re: Paul's chrome plating in evans city Pa closing

        One of the commenters on CF stated he had heard that one of the tanks was failing and they didn't have enough money to repair it. There was also evidence that Paul's received almost half-million dollars from the COVID PPP loans that were then forgiven in 2021 & 2022. Other plating companies are extremely busy according to job wait times reported by CFers, so it doesn't seem to be a lack of business opportunity driving them out of business.

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        • Joe L.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • February 1, 1988
          • 43219

          #19
          Re: Paul's chrome plating in evans city Pa closing

          Originally posted by Mark Francis (30800)
          Joe,

          Agree with what you are saying...and having also worked in the Environment, Health & Safety fields for decades, I've been in plating operations large (Ford) and small. When I visited Paul's new place in Evans City (after their Mars, PA facility burned down), I would have to say the work environment there seemed pretty darn good considering all the nasty stuff you find in plating operations.

          Paul's website describes their position and attitudes regarding waste management here https://www.paulschrome.com/index.ph...-environmental

          A check of the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection (PADEP) public records website indicates they are covered by 2 DEP Programs:
          ❶ Clean Water and
          ❷ Waste Management

          Although I'm a bit surprised (maybe uniformed ?) they would not also be covered by some sort of Air Program, since Oct 1999, DEP has conducted 24 Site-Level and Primary Facility-Level Inspections. A quick review of inspection details indicates observations noted by DEP have been addressed, abated, or vacated. So, they appear to be one of the good guys and that could be why I've heard people say they were not cheap (I have no means to compare if that was thru or not).

          Sorry to see them go. They were nice folks.
          Mark------


          The only way to know if any industrial operation, including plating, is in compliance with discharge requirements is by 24 hour composite sampling of their effluent. On-site inspections, alone, cannot determine compliance or lack thereof.
          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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