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  • Vinnie P.
    Editor NCRS Restorer Magazine
    • May 31, 1990
    • 1563

    Clearing the Air

    I was asked by NCRS President, Mark Tulley to post this email that was sent to the membership this morning.



    We had received recommended text of these two policies from our outside accountants which were dutifully filed in the NCRS Policies & Accounting Procedures Manual. We were in compliance with both policies, however they had not been formally adopted by the NCRS Board. This has subsequently been done.

    Both the 2020 and 2021 IRS 990 returns have since been amended to correct these two policy answers, and the amended returns accepted without comment by the IRS.



    Shannon has taken the fact that NCRS did not have a formally adopted Whistleblower Policy or Document Retention and Destruction Policy (both of which were formally adopted by the Board on January 6, 2023) and mistakenly attached to that lack of policy the criminal penalty (fines and/or up to 20-years in prison) for violating those policies. Neither of these policies is actually required by Sarbanes-Oxley for non-profit organizations like the NCRS, and the criminal penalties only come into play if there are actual violations.



    Any further correspondence regarding the NCRS will come from my attorney.any further requests of me will need to be made formally
  • Jim L.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • September 30, 1979
    • 1808

    #2
    Re: Clearing the Air

    IMHO, a good follow-on move by the Board would be to revoke the NCRS membership of that young lady.

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    • Mark F.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • July 31, 1998
      • 1518

      #3
      Re: Clearing the Air

      My Best to John Tidwell and everyone else who will be saddled with clearing this up.
      thx,
      Mark

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      • Michael J.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • January 27, 2009
        • 7118

        #4
        Re: Clearing the Air

        I guess I will express my amazement at how a mostly volunteer non-profit organization based on the love of an automobile, can devolve into such things.
        Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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        • Leif A.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • August 31, 1997
          • 3625

          #5
          Re: Clearing the Air

          Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
          Leif
          '67 Coupe L79, M21, C60, N14, N40, J50, A31, U69, A01, QB1
          Top Flight 2017 Lone Star Regional

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          • Bob G.
            Infrequent User
            • April 30, 1996
            • 13

            #6
            Re: Clearing the Air

            Please note that some members received a direct email from the former President's email account this morning with the subject heading "NCRS Compliance".

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            • Harry S.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • July 31, 2002
              • 5293

              #7
              Re: Clearing the Air

              Originally posted by Bob Grauer (27592)
              Please note that some members received a direct email from the former President's email account this morning with the subject heading "NCRS Compliance".
              Yes, many did. I believe that she captured the email addresses from the NCRS system and send the emails from outside the NCRS system.


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              • Mark H.
                Very Frequent User
                • July 31, 1998
                • 384

                #8
                Re: Clearing the Air

                Originally posted by Harry Sadlock (38513)
                Yes, many did. I believe that she captured the email addresses from the NCRS system and send the emails from outside the NCRS system.
                What did that message say?

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                • Don H.
                  Moderator
                  • June 16, 2009
                  • 2254

                  #9
                  Re: Clearing the Air

                  Fellow NCRS member,
                  The upcoming Annual NCRS Board Meeting is closed to membership participation. This is disappointing as many unanswered questions have been sent to this Board of Directors over the past two months.
                  Enclosed are the amended 2020 and 2021 NCRS tax returns. These two years of filings were corrected on January 13, 2023, a mere six days following my resignation after the Board of Directors meetings on January 6, 2023.

                  According to Michigan State Law 400.273 Section 3(2)(j), a charitable organization with annual contributions of $500,000 must file an audited financial statement prepared by an independent certified public accountant. The NCRS financial statements are not independently audited as required by the state we are incorporated.https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/...ependent-audit

                  When I resigned as President of the NCRS, it was for one reason and one reason only… the lack of corporate compliance, yet no one is willing to discuss this. Hmm… makes you wonder why? To the contrary, I have received multiple letters from the NCRS attorney to cease telling this truth. Yet, I believe that we, as members, have a right to have our questions answered. Feel free to share this information.
                  Respectfully,
                  Shannon M. Urton
                  NCRS Past President and Past Region II Director

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                  • Bob G.
                    Infrequent User
                    • April 30, 1996
                    • 13

                    #10
                    Re: Clearing the Air

                    Thanks Don. I didn't think that I should be the one to post it. I have complete confidence in John's accounting. The Board will handle this appropriately. I suggest that members should not engage directly with the former President on this subject.
                    Bob (Northern CA Chairman)

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                    • Harry S.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • July 31, 2002
                      • 5293

                      #11
                      Re: Clearing the Air

                      Originally posted by Bob Grauer (27592)
                      Thanks Don. I didn't think that I should be the one to post it. I have complete confidence in John's accounting. The Board will handle this appropriately. I suggest that members should not engage directly with the former President on this subject.
                      Bob (Northern CA Chairman)
                      Bob, I agree. We're just a Corvette Club that hit an ugly bump in the road. Yes, let's allow our Board and Legal Council time to handle this one.


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                      • David H.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • June 30, 2001
                        • 1522

                        #12
                        Re: Clearing the Air

                        Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                        I guess I will express my amazement at how a mostly volunteer non-profit organization based on the love of an automobile, can devolve into such things.
                        Mike

                        Agree.

                        At this point just going to be lawyers talking to each other.

                        Pregnant silence on comments made during NCRS Board meeting video. Code of conduct rules going to be applied consistently across-the-board or not?

                        Dave
                        Judging Chairman Mid-Way USA (Kansas) Chapter

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                        • Mark E.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • April 1, 1993
                          • 4528

                          #13
                          Re: Clearing the Air

                          I'm frustrated our dues are now funding legal fees instead of cars and fun.
                          Mark Edmondson
                          Dallas, Texas
                          Texas Chapter

                          1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
                          1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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                          • Rick G.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • March 1, 1983
                            • 273

                            #14
                            Re: Clearing the Air

                            Originally posted by Mark Edmondson (22468)
                            I'm frustrated our dues are now funding legal fees instead of cars and fun.
                            Mark I couldn't agree more. This is an expense our organization cannot afford. I also want to add there are three current Board members who inadvertently helped create this mess. Hopefully the membership in their region remembers this when they are up for re-election.

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                            • Harry S.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • July 31, 2002
                              • 5293

                              #15
                              Re: Clearing the Air

                              Originally posted by Rick Gower (6398)
                              Mark I couldn't agree more. This is an expense our organization cannot afford. I also want to add there are three current Board members who inadvertently helped create this mess. Hopefully the membership in their region remembers this when they are up for re-election.
                              Rick, I believe as of today there is only one left as a Region Director.


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