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  • Bob B.
    Very Frequent User
    • January 31, 2007
    • 524

    plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

    I was cleaning up in the engine compartment of my '70 convertible SB, barely touched the plastic oil pressure line and it snapped-
    was super brittle. Mine was a clear plastic, the judging guide says it should be black with white lettering so who know what happened over the last 50 years- BUT just a FYI check yours, it makes a heck of a mess if the engine is running
  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43205

    #2
    Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

    Originally posted by Bob Brewer (967)
    I was cleaning up in the engine compartment of my '70 convertible SB, barely touched the plastic oil pressure line and it snapped-
    was super brittle. Mine was a clear plastic, the judging guide says it should be black with white lettering so who know what happened over the last 50 years- BUT just a FYI check yours, it makes a heck of a mess if the engine is running
    Bob------


    These oil pressure lines are nylon. Nylon becomes very brittle with heat and age. If you think a broken line makes a mess in the engine compartment, you should see what happens if it breaks between the firewall and the gauge.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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    • Tom M.
      Frequent User
      • November 1, 1995
      • 86

      #3
      Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

      Thanks for this post. I asked a question a year ago regarding replacement quality and there seemed to be a no urgency to swapping out the original.
      https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...-quality-check

      Your post at least helped put the swap of the tube on my winter maintenance list.

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      • Patrick B.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • August 31, 1985
        • 1994

        #4
        Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

        I had to remove the radio to get access to the fitting on the back of the oil pressure gage on my 70. No fun.

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        • Tom L.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • October 17, 2006
          • 1439

          #5
          Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

          The nylon line broke/cracked at the fitting above the radio. Killed the radio but I smelled oil and avoided a total mess. It's copper now.

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          • Bob D.
            NCRS Shipping Data Report Manager
            • April 30, 1996
            • 788

            #6
            Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

            Mine on my '71 broke years ago just short of the oil pressure gauge inside the car. Had a heck of a time cleaning up the mess in the interior. I started the car and the oil pressure gauge read fine and then nose dived. Shut the engine down and started looking for the problem--smerlled oil behind the center cluster. Not fun.

            Bob

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            • Ralph E.
              Expired
              • February 1, 2002
              • 905

              #7
              Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

              Back in 1970 the oil pressure line snapped behind the gauge on my 1968 BB. With in seconds oil was everywhere. Carpet was saturated and destroyed. What a mess. If I remember correctly, replace the oil pressure line with a 1967 BB line.

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              • Duke W.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • January 1, 1993
                • 15657

                #8
                Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

                Originally posted by Tom Larsen (46337)
                The nylon line broke/cracked at the fitting above the radio. Killed the radio but I smelled oil and avoided a total mess. It's copper now.
                You went from the frying pan into the fire. Copper has poor fatigue resistance and is susceptible to work hardening, which makes copper brittle and subject to fracture, especially in any kind of vibration environment.

                The OE C2 oil pressure signal line is COPPER PLATED STEEL. Of course some morons in the repro business decided to make them out of copper. Hey, they pass judging, right?

                Back when I judged mechanical at local chapter events I made it a habit of checking those lines with a magnet. I'd say about half were non-magnetic. I didn't deduct points, but during debriefing warned the owner of the safety issue and recommended they get a proper copper coated steel oil pressure line and verify it's magnetic before installing.

                On a C3 if the OE nylon line is replaced with the same wall thickness and chemical spec, it will likely outlive all of us.

                Duke

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                • Tom M.
                  Frequent User
                  • November 1, 1995
                  • 86

                  #9
                  Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

                  The vendors list black replacement tube kits as "plastic". Has anyone confirmed the black tube that vendors sell is oil/pressure suitable.
                  The one vendor I found shows tube by Kurtec J844 spec with 1Klb burst pressure / gas oil resistant (Canada mfg).
                  Vendors list 40" and 51" for the '68-'73 C3.

                  Do the kits bond the inner sleeve or can it be removed and length adjusted?

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                  • Mark E.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • April 1, 1993
                    • 4518

                    #10
                    Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

                    What's a good source for the copper plated steel tubing Duke mentioned?

                    Why did Chevy copper plate the tubing?
                    Mark Edmondson
                    Dallas, Texas
                    Texas Chapter

                    1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
                    1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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                    • Patrick B.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • August 31, 1985
                      • 1994

                      #11
                      Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

                      Originally posted by Tom Mackie (26922)
                      The vendors list black replacement tube kits as "plastic". Has anyone confirmed the black tube that vendors sell is oil/pressure suitable.
                      The one vendor I found shows tube by Kurtec J844 spec with 1Klb burst pressure / gas oil resistant (Canada mfg).
                      Vendors list 40" and 51" for the '68-'73 C3.

                      Do the kits bond the inner sleeve or can it be removed and length adjusted?
                      The kit I got from Paragon seemed to be the same kind of nylon tube that the car came with. It did not seem inferior. The original tube inside the car was not deteriorated. The break came at the firewall where the grommet had dislodged. I attributed the failure of the tube to chaffing on the exposed fiberglass edge of the hole in the firewall. I am sure the black nylon replacement tube will outlast me by many years. I would not fear using it.

                      I did not try to change the length, but I think the inner sleeves just push in without any bonding material.

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                      • Duke W.
                        Beyond Control Poster
                        • January 1, 1993
                        • 15657

                        #12
                        Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

                        Originally posted by Mark Edmondson (22468)
                        What's a good source for the copper plated steel tubing Duke mentioned?

                        Why did Chevy copper plate the tubing?
                        Good question... why copper rather than the more common zinc or cad. I've never understood the reason.

                        I think most of the Corvette parts vendors have gotten the word and now sell a proper copper plated steel oil pressure signal line, but if you need one be sure to contact them before buying and have them VERIFY with a magnet that steel is under the copper plate.

                        Duke

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                        • Joe L.
                          Beyond Control Poster
                          • February 1, 1988
                          • 43205

                          #13
                          Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

                          Originally posted by Patrick Boyd (9110)

                          I did not try to change the length, but I think the inner sleeves just push in without any bonding material.
                          Patrick-------


                          They do.
                          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                          • Mark E.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • April 1, 1993
                            • 4518

                            #14
                            Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

                            How does the steel line in a C2 big block differ from the small block? Length only?

                            I'm asking because I'm wondering which steel line kit would be the best fit for my '70 454.
                            Mark Edmondson
                            Dallas, Texas
                            Texas Chapter

                            1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
                            1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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                            • Ralph E.
                              Expired
                              • February 1, 2002
                              • 905

                              #15
                              Re: plastic oil pressure line- careful- they break

                              Originally posted by Mark Edmondson (22468)
                              How does the steel line in a C2 big block differ from the small block? Length only?

                              I'm asking because I'm wondering which steel line kit would be the best fit for my '70 454.
                              Mark, not sure how they differ, but I think if you can get a new plastic line that is the better way to go.
                              GM changed for a reason?? Probably cost $$$.
                              50 years ago, I changed mine to copper/steel line only because that is all the Chevy dealer had at the time.
                              My car was my daily driver while in college.

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