Does anyone know what the NCRS policy is on C2s that have had the Z bar (with trim tag and VIN tag attached) replaced?
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Mike
FWIW, your photo is of a reproduction Trim Tag.
(You haven't purchased it yet? I hope.)
DaveJudging Chairman Mid-Way USA (Kansas) ChapterComment
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No, not even interested in it, but that just builds the mystery of it all.........Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New MexicoComment
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Oh, BTW David, the most important tag is the VIN tag, what do you think of it?Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New MexicoComment
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Mike
Can't really tell much of anything about that VIN tag as quality of photo is so poor.
Quality of Trim Tag photo is also poor, but, VERY easy to spot it is a reproduction tag.
A little longer at Kenner and you would spot it as well.
Do you have physical access to this z-bar? If so, then some VIN things can be checked.
DaveLast edited by David H.; November 7, 2022, 05:48 PM.Judging Chairman Mid-Way USA (Kansas) ChapterComment
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vinplate_trimtac_8006694f676e27ffd856b7136884744976239c8e.jpgI have no idea where this is, not even what country, or even if it is a real photo, all photos of this are poor. This is a super secret car that has been hidden away for many years and the subject of much speculation. Here are some other photos, some have speculated they could be photoshopped:Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New MexicoComment
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Michael-----
Assuming your question involves a car which has had the "Z-bar" replaced:
There are only three reasons I can think of for the "Z-bar" with VIN and trim tags to be replaced in a car:
1) The birdcage suffered from severe corrosion which got as far as the "Z-car" (or near same). In that case, the car would not be worth giving a second look;
2) The car was in a very bad wreck which damaged the original "Z-bar" and a replacement was necessary with VIN and trim tags transferred and the VIN and trim tags on the replacement "Z-bar" discarded. In that case, the car would not be worth a second look.
3) The car had a "Z-bar" with attached VIN and trim tags transferred to it from another car. The only reason for this would be to "legitimize" a stolen car which would then assume the identity of the car that "donated" the "Z-bar" (i.e. a wrecked or otherwise destroyed car which had a clean, transferable title).
In the case of ANY of the above, the frame VIN derivative stamping should ABSOLUTELY be checked prior to even considering the car for purchase.
Assuming your question involves a "Z-bar" with attached VIN and trim tags for sale:
If the "Z-bar" is offered with a clean, transferable title, the ONLY reason for this would be to "legitimize" a stolen car. I'd notify the police immediately. If it's offered without a title, I cannot imagine what useful purpose the "Z-bar" would have for anyone.
Personally, I would regard any car with an obviously replaced "Z-bar" to be HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS.In Appreciation of John HinckleyComment
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Thanks Joe, I would totally agree with your points. Let me convey the whole "story" (and I do mean story) behind this one. There is a thread on CF, started by an alleged journalist from Germany, who says he was contacted by one of the owners of the other '67 tanker ( I have one of 2), which has resided in Europe since being delivered new. Various rumors and stories have emerged that the car was sold and may even have been repatriated back to the US. Now this journalist claims that a dispute between the owners led to one owner cutting out the Z bar from this car so that it couldn't be sold without his approval. As you can see the pictures are suspect, now David says the trim tag on the bar is fake, so who knows what is going on, but your bottom line applies, "I would regard any car with an obviously replaced "Z-bar" to be HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS."Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New MexicoComment
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Any info from anyone on whether the tank sticker has been examined ?
Also, too bad it was STD trim.
Any other TRIM code except "455" would have had an ECL that would have identified whether it included N03thx,
MarkComment
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This car has been for sale for a long period in the past, and there was never a mention of any documentation, tank sticker or export documents. Always a good trivia question, where do you put the "tank sticker" on a big tank car?Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New MexicoComment
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