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  • Victor P.
    Infrequent User
    • September 30, 1985
    • 16

    396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

    Hello. First time posting. I have owned this car for almost 40 years and finally had it judged this past week for the first time. I've been an NCRS member since 1984 but never had the time to get the car judged or attend an event. Everyone was extremely Nice and welcoming and I had a great time. However during the Flight judging there was an anomaly on the date code of the carburetor. According to the judging Manual the date code should be a Julian date code. The carb reads however:

    3868826-CS
    List-3124
    834

    It has the correct GM part number and the correct list but the date code makes no sense for a Julian date code. The metering blocks all had the correct numbers. All of the top judges looked at it and no one had an explanation. The best explanation I heard was from a 200+ level judge who thought that that it was not a Julian date code but actually was August 3 of 64. He explained to me that Holley had a very long lead time in fabricating carburetors for GM so the date would actually fit the build of the car if was just a normal date code and the carb was made early in the run before a Julian day code system was instituted. I've checked online by Googling all these numbers and there was another 3124 with a 964 for the date code on a very old Ebay listing that sold in 2006. The judge who proposed this scenario said that if it was a service replacement there would be a four digit code. So it's obviously not a service replacement. Besides in 1968 if this was a Julian date code there were no Holley carburetors on Corvettes for 1968. So obviously 3124 was never placed on a GM car except a 1965 396. I checked and no other make of car had this Holley carb number that I could find, Gm or not. And it has a GM part number. I have owned the car since 1984 and I seriously doubt that anyone was counterfeiting carb numbers before that time. Besides it has the proper patina for the age of the car. If anyone else has an explanation for this, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for any information.
  • Keith B.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • September 15, 2014
    • 1574

    #2
    Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

    a three-digit date code is correct until 1970

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    • Gary B.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • January 31, 1997
      • 6973

      #3

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      • Mike T.
        Very Frequent User
        • December 31, 1991
        • 568

        #4
        Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

        Victor - I'll be curious to hear what our Carb Experts have to say about this. I thought it was Year/Month/Week and if that was the case, you're right, it would have been cast in 1968 since they went to 4-digit coding around '72 I believe.
        By the way, I figured I'd use this reply to ask you to check out this Thread started by a fellow NCRS member, Gary Cowans, where we've been listing all 65 L78's we come across.
        1965 L78 Register (ncrs.org)
        We now have 336 listed of the original 2157 made in 1965.
        Mike T. - Prescott AZ.

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        • Don H.
          Moderator
          • June 16, 2009
          • 2235

          #5
          Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

          Are you sure the 8 is not actually a 5? Can you show a photo of the markings? If the 8 is truly an 8, then the carb is dated 1968 Mar 4th week,
          And I would say that the original carburetor was lost somehow during the years before you acquired the car, and replaced with a 1968 version.

          The JG clearly states the date is year, month, week, not Julian.

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          • Gary B.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • January 31, 1997
            • 6973

            #6

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            • Leif A.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • August 31, 1997
              • 3603

              #7
              Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

              Victor,
              Welcome to the TDB. As always, a crystal clear picture of the numbers in question would be very helpful. Lots of stuff could have happened to your car in the preceding 17 years before you acquired it.
              Leif
              '67 Coupe L79, M21, C60, N14, N40, J50, A31, U69, A01, QB1
              Top Flight 2017 Lone Star Regional

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              • Jim D.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • June 30, 1985
                • 2882

                #8
                Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

                The carb. on my May built L-78 car is stamped 533.

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                • Gary B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • January 31, 1997
                  • 6973

                  #9
                  Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

                  Victor,





                  Gary

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                  • Jim D.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • June 30, 1985
                    • 2882

                    #10
                    Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

                    The 65 JG states: 1st digit - year, 2nd digit - month, 3rd digit - week.

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                    • Mike T.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • December 31, 1991
                      • 568

                      #11
                      Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

                      Okay, so the #3124 carb was made for one engine in one model year...the 1965 396 Corvette. If Holley continued to make them for over the counter purchases, they would have made them in the years following 1965, yes? So wouldn't this #3124 carb with the date code starting with an '8' be a service replacement cast in 1968?
                      Mike T. - Prescott AZ.

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                      • Gary B.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • January 31, 1997
                        • 6973

                        #12

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                        • Harry S.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • July 31, 2002
                          • 5246

                          #13
                          Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

                          When was the car judged, I do not see it in your profile?


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                          • Pancho T.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • July 31, 1993
                            • 238

                            #14
                            Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

                            Originally posted by Victor Pineschi (9241)
                            Hello. First time posting. I have owned this car for almost 40 years and finally had it judged this past week for the first time. I've been an NCRS member since 1984 but never had the time to get the car judged or attend an event. Everyone was extremely Nice and welcoming and I had a great time. However during the Flight judging there was an anomaly on the date code of the carburetor. According to the judging Manual the date code should be a Julian date code. The carb reads however:

                            3868826-CS
                            List-3124
                            834

                            It has the correct GM part number and the correct list but the date code makes no sense for a Julian date code. The metering blocks all had the correct numbers. All of the top judges looked at it and no one had an explanation. The best explanation I heard was from a 200+ level judge who thought that that it was not a Julian date code but actually was August 3 of 64. He explained to me that Holley had a very long lead time in fabricating carburetors for GM so the date would actually fit the build of the car if was just a normal date code and the carb was made early in the run before a Julian day code system was instituted. I've checked online by Googling all these numbers and there was another 3124 with a 964 for the date code on a very old Ebay listing that sold in 2006. The judge who proposed this scenario said that if it was a service replacement there would be a four digit code. So it's obviously not a service replacement. Besides in 1968 if this was a Julian date code there were no Holley carburetors on Corvettes for 1968. So obviously 3124 was never placed on a GM car except a 1965 396. I checked and no other make of car had this Holley carb number that I could find, Gm or not. And it has a GM part number. I have owned the car since 1984 and I seriously doubt that anyone was counterfeiting carb numbers before that time. Besides it has the proper patina for the age of the car. If anyone else has an explanation for this, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for any information.
                            If the carb is really stamped 834 it is a service dated replacement made in the 4th week of March 1968. The service dated carbs later use julian dates and are 4digits. There is no way it was August 3rd of 1964 built for the 396. There was no big blocks built until Feb. '65

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                            • Victor P.
                              Infrequent User
                              • September 30, 1985
                              • 16

                              #15
                              Re: 396 Carb date code anomaly on original unrestored 396 Corvette

                              I will try to get a picture of it this week if I can figure out how to post it. Thanks for all the information so far.

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