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  • Richard M.
    Super Moderator
    • August 31, 1988
    • 11304

    1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

    Please check your fuel hoses before adding fuel to your tanks.

    I want to bring this up to make you aware of defective reproduction hose assemblies from a manufacturer of the replacement for GM part# 3735951. This is the 3/8 sized hose for the 3/8" sized hard line from the tank. Various vendors use their own numbering system so look up your own vendors number for reference.


    Note: This is not a vendor bashing exercise. It is a warning to purchasers, suppliers and installers. The vendor has been made aware of the problem and I'm certain it will be corrected quickly. They had a different problem many years ago with this part, posted a recall on their site and corrected it.

    One thing I'm uncomfortable with is why this simple hose assembly continues to have problems. A simple Quality Control test should be done on each one in the future to avoid this issue. See my test below.

    Hose assemblies:

    Top is NOS, middle is my original, bottom is the defective reproduction hose(s). I use plural because this is not a isolated case.
    0208210929_resized.jpg

    These reproduction hoses have a female brass end with a inverted flare, internally threaded to accept the 3/8" male flare fitting from the hard line. When attempting to tighten the hard line fitting from tank it will not seal properly. You may think it's sealed, but it is not. It will leak fuel. The problem is that the female brass inverted flare fitting has not been threaded properly. The threads are not deep enough into the fitting. The flared tubing of the hard line will not seal with it's mating inverted flare of the brass fitting.

    Here is th comparison....
    Upper is the defective hose. The threads are not cut deep enough.
    Lower is my original, which has been leak free for 62 years(next month).
    Z-802_Notes_mod.jpg

    This is what happened to my hard line fitting after repeated attempts to stop the leak. I ended up using my air hose set at 5PSI to blow the fuel back to the tank to stop the siphoning. I added a cap and clamp as added safety until a good hose would arrive.
    MaleFittingNotes_mod.jpg

    I wanted to replace the existing original hose as it felt spongy. I struggled with this new hose. Continued attempts to tighten it while listening to loud squeaking sounds did not help. A year ago I read of the identical problem someone had in Europe. The problem was fixed shortly afterward but now has returned, or it is possible old stock was mistakenly resent to some of the vendors.

    Test fit your fittings before replacing it on you car. If you have a restoration underway and have installed one of these defective hoses you will have a major leak when you first start the engine after adding fuel to your tank. The fuel will not arrive at this hose until the engine is cranked for startup as the fuel pump draws fuel from the tank. Once this happens, the siphoning action will take over and you could have a serious leak.

    This was after extreme tightening, and before getting a fuel bath down my arms when I removed it. You may smell the fuel while watching.


    Here is one comparing my original hose to the defective hose using a 3/8" male flare test fitting.


    It has been determined that one of the larger suppliers located in Michigan is the supplier of this hose assembly for many other vendors. My vendor in Virginia checked all of the hoses in their stock by test fitting with a common 3/8" flare fitting, as I showed below. They all failed to tighten and were removed from stock.

    I was able to locate a replacement hose form another supplier here in Florida, Pronesti Classics. Gary sent me one right away which I received today. It is made in Tampa by a different manufacturer. It passed my bench test flawlessly and will be installed during my next visit to the car.

    Made in Tampa. Both early 5/16" and 3/8" hose assemblies are available from Gary.
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    Deep threads
    0212211029_resized.jpg

    Here you can see the proper depth of the test fitting.
    0212211031_resized.jpg


    Again, a simple 10 minute job has now taken about a week or so.

    Rich
  • Bob W.
    Very Frequent User
    • November 30, 1977
    • 800

    #2
    Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

    Richard Thanks for the heads up on this. Will be ordering one for my 59. thanks again.

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    • Richard M.
      Super Moderator
      • August 31, 1988
      • 11304

      #3
      Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

      The Pronesti/Shafer hose worked fine, just like it's supposed to. Only issue was I had to use my thread restorer on the hard line threaded fitting as it was worked hard trying to get the other hose to work.


      Rich

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      • Christopher R.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • March 31, 1975
        • 1599

        #4
        Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

        This problem with defective hoses was identified about 1 year ago. See:

        C1 & C2 Corvettes - Help for problem with new Frame Gas Line to Fuel Pump Hose - I tried to install a new ?Frame Gas Line to Fuel Pump Hose?. Unfortunately, even though I fully tightened it, the connection between frame gas line and hose was still loose. The problem was quickly found. The thread of the Female Inverted...

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        • Richard M.
          Super Moderator
          • August 31, 1988
          • 11304

          #5
          Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

          Originally posted by Christopher Ritchie (238)
          This problem with defective hoses was identified about 1 year ago. See:

          https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...pump-hose.html

          Yes in my initial post I said.....

          A year ago I read of the identical problem someone had in Europe. The problem was fixed shortly afterward but now has returned, or it is possible old stock was mistakenly resent to some of the vendors.

          I followed that thread closely. Justin finally confirmed the problem in post#55.

          It is disgraceful that a year later I find the same problem.

          Rich

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          • Gary B.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • January 31, 1997
            • 6986

            #6
            Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

            Rich,


            It was interesting to read on the Corvette Forum website the posting by Justin Abbott, VP at Zip Products, who bristled at the accusation that the part in question was a cheap Chinese import. It just goes to show you that defective parts can be made in any country.


            Gary

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            • Richard M.
              Super Moderator
              • August 31, 1988
              • 11304

              #7
              Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

              Originally posted by Gary Beaupre (28818)
              Rich,


              It was interesting to read on the Corvette Forum website the posting by Justin Abbott, VP at Zip Products, who bristled at the accusation that the part in question was a cheap Chinese import. It just goes to show you that defective parts can be made in any country.


              Gary
              Gary, True. I had 2 USA made Napa Voltage Regulators give me fits a few years ago. Both DOAs. Try to figure out why your generator isn't generating? I pulled it apart thinking I did something wrong. Nope. The 3rd VR worked. I verified the first two were at fault. Crazy.

              As far as the hose goes, a few caveats to keep in mind. That supplier site says USA made. But where are the 3 parts made, the hose and 2 brass fittings? Only the supplier who "makes" them knows that, even though the "assembly" is made here.

              All I know now is the Shafer part worked and has properly made fittings, even though I still don't know where THOSE are from. I may try to find out.

              Oh, and BTW, I went to the Continental website and explored. There is a new facility in China built 4 years ago making 15 million hoses and assemblies a year. Hmmmm.

              Rich
              Last edited by Richard M.; February 14, 2021, 06:54 PM. Reason: spulling and grammir

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              • Rich G.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • August 31, 2002
                • 1396

                #8
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                • Gary B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • January 31, 1997
                  • 6986

                  #9
                  Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

                  Originally posted by Richard Mozzetta (13499)
                  ...As far as the hose goes, a few caveats to keep in mind. That supplier site says USA made. But where are the 3 parts made, the hose and 2 brass fittings? Only the supplier who "makes" them knows that, even those the "assembly" is made here

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                  • Richard M.
                    Super Moderator
                    • August 31, 1988
                    • 11304

                    #10
                    Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

                    Rich not that one, this one...


                    Also check this...


                    Rich+

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                    • Rick C.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • February 28, 1986
                      • 183

                      #11
                      Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

                      Rich,

                      Thank you for posting! I bought one of these hoses a couple months ago for installation this spring and sure enough the threads aren't deep enough as you described.

                      Rick

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                      • Richard M.
                        Super Moderator
                        • August 31, 1988
                        • 11304

                        #12
                        Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

                        Originally posted by Rick Casper (9781)
                        Rich,

                        Thank you for posting! I bought one of these hoses a couple months ago for installation this spring and sure enough the threads aren't deep enough as you described.

                        Rick
                        Rick I'm glad you caught it before it failed in service.

                        Rich

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                        • Tim G.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • February 28, 1990
                          • 1359

                          #13
                          Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

                          Rich, what great information. Thank you for posting this in such detail.

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                          • Joe M.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • January 31, 2005
                            • 589

                            #14
                            Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

                            Pronesti/shafer part GLH901 not listed?

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                            • Bob W.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • November 30, 1977
                              • 800

                              #15
                              Re: 1958 to 1962 Reproduction Fuel Hose Defects - WARNING

                              Joe, Call Shafers @ 1-800-466-1955. I bought one last month.

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