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  • Richard M.
    Super Moderator
    • August 31, 1988
    • 11323

    #16
    Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

    Here's a fun story of a Black 63 Coupe that went to Red...... then back to Black.

    I've recently sold my '59 and the wife's 2 Jags. They're going on 2 containers and I have a local exporter arranging the entire process. He's been doing this for 35 years and we had a great conversation about Corvettes the other day. He presently owns a '67 Corvette and told me he was the buyer of the "Guam '63 Coupe". Back in 2010 a man in Guam tried to sell his Red '63 coupe on CF... Here (Sid if this one isn't in your list the data is in that link in the ad)

    I asked him if I could tell his story and post some pictures he sent me. He said sure!

    The '63 was won in a raffle along with a red '93 Corvette. The '63 was originally black, and it was allegedly painted red to match the '93 for the raffle. The owner of the '63 had a tax burden winning the 2 cars so he kept the '93 and wanted to sell the '63 to help pay his taxes.

    Here's a picture the seller had in the ad.
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    I remember that FS thread and followed along. It took a while to sell because of it's location. My exporter went there and bought it. Living here in Melbourne Florida for many years but from South Africa originally, Ash gave the seller a call. Since he's familiar with the containerized shipping process it was ideal for him.

    During the call they did the deal. He bought some plane tickets and packed a bag with k's of cash and some clothes. He hopped on a flight from here to Osaka Japan then on to Guam. The transaction was done and he now owned the car.

    Ash drove around Guam for a while before getting it loaded in a container for the trip to LA where he had a friend to help get it back to the US.
    63 Vette Guam4.jpg

    War in the Pacific park9a.jpg

    A while later the car was delivered to the Port of Los Angeles where he met his friend. Ash drove the car around everywhere in LA having fun with it before shipping it back to Florida.
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    When it arrived, he proceeded to get it back to it's original Tuxedo Black to match the Trim Tag. It took a while but got it all done and back on the road. He drove it around Florida for some time. (note the license plate, still on the Guam plate.... lol)
    IMG_7463.jpg

    As I recall he said he got a call from someone in South Africa that wanted to buy it and sold it to him. Here it is going in the can for the long boat trip, south-south-east. (BTW this is what I'll be overseeing in a few weeks with 2 cans)
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    The car arrived to it's new home in SA and was a hit there. Ash told me the market for classic cars there is amazing. He was there a few years ago for a Classic Car Rally from SA to Zimbabwe. He drove his buddies 70's Riviera(iirc) when he told me the story. He said it was a "interesting" time.

    Cape Town Beach South Africa
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    He told me a few months after it's arrival it made the cover of South African Hot Rod magazine.
    Magazine cover.jpg

    Magazine shoot.jpg

    Fun and interesting story.

    Rich
    Last edited by Richard M.; February 7, 2021, 05:33 AM.

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    • Tom E.
      Very Frequent User
      • June 1, 2019
      • 448

      #17
      Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

      Awesome story Rich! Love to see cars driven and enjoyed instead of sitting in some private collection or personal garage and never seeing the light of day or god forbid a drop of rain!
      Tom

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      • Dave S.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • August 31, 1992
        • 2925

        #18
        Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

        Syd,
        I was hoping you would chime in. You have a very large sampling and likely the most comprehensive anywhere. Seems you have about 9.5% black cars. In any event it is likely less than 10% for sure. Thanks for taking the time to post your information.

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        • Chris L.
          Frequent User
          • January 1, 1994
          • 44

          #19
          Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

          Originally posted by Sydney Garber (23984)
          Dave,

          Maybe I can expand on this.
          Including the Brooks '63 survey list (with some corrections), I have to date recorded 5,051 1963's.
          Of that total, 484 cars are currently listed as being Tuxedo Black.
          329 cars so far are listed with 'color unknown'.

          Black is the 3rd rarest paint color for '63 on my list after Silver Blue and Saddle Tan.

          As you said, not all cars were able to be verified by their trim tags so the number is most likely off by a small margin.
          More importantly, keep in mind that many cars were repainted Red and that has an impact on all color totals. I'm sure it was also the case with the Brooks registry numbers as well at that time.
          My '63 list is still a work in progress.

          Chris, would you like to add your new '63 to the black total?

          Syd
          Syd,
          Sure I can add my car to your survey. What do you need. Should I send you a picture of the trim tag?
          Chris

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          • Sydney G.
            Very Frequent User
            • February 1, 1994
            • 443

            #20
            Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

            Originally posted by Chris LaFrenaye (23806)
            Syd,
            Sure I can add my car to your survey. What do you need. Should I send you a picture of the trim tag?
            Chris

            Hi Chris,
            I would need to know your 63's serial number along with it's body number. Does it still have it's original motor? What is the hp and transmission type? Also, are there any other options like ps or pb etc?
            What color is your car now?

            Thanks
            Syd

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            • James G.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • May 31, 1976
              • 1556

              #21
              Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

              Please Ask Ash if there is a market for 96 Polo Green Convertibles in South Africa.
              Over 80 Corvettes of fun ! Love Rochester Fuel Injection 57-65 cars. Love CORVETTE RACE CARS
              Co-Founder REGISTRY OF CORVETTE RACE CARS.COM

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              • Chris M.
                Infrequent User
                • March 31, 2017
                • 7

                #22
                Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

                One additional data point. I pulled all the data in the C2 registry for 1963. You can see the summary numbers below. Black is 10.1%. As noted for some of the other data in this thread, not necessarily accurate to true trim tags, but in the range. I also ran the same calculation for the '64-'67 for just Black and compared to the NCRS percentages.

                I have a Black/Red 1963 Coupe Z06 car. Top Flight at Greenville SC. Syd, I'll send you some info on my car.

                Black in C2registry.org:
                1963: 10.1%
                C2Registry.org
                Year Total in Registry Black % Black NCRS % Black
                1964 854 82 9.60% 8.50%
                1965 1129 87 7.71% 5.00%
                1966 1060 87 8.21% 4.30%
                1967 1226 88 7.18% 3.60%

                1963 All Colors from C2Registry.org

                Exterior Black (Vinyl) Dark Blue (Vinyl) Other Color Red (Vinyl) Saddle (Leather) Saddle (Vinyl) Unknown Grand Total
                Daytona Blue 17 121 3 6 3 12 1 163
                Ermine White 53 18 3 65 6 17 3 165
                Other Color 14 50 1 2 2 69
                Riverside Red 149 1 124 2 11 4 291
                Saddle Tan 3 1 17 57 4 82
                Sebring Silver 100 31 1 37 4 1 2 176
                Silver Blue 28 55 3 1 87
                Tuxedo Black 70 2 2 33 6 5 118
                Unknown 1 1 1 10 13
                Grand Total 435 227 63 268 38 106 27 1164
                Exterior Black (Vinyl) Dark Blue (Vinyl) Other Color Red (Vinyl) Saddle (Leather) Saddle (Vinyl) Unknown Grand Total
                Daytona Blue 1.5% 10.4% 0.3% 0.5% 0.3% 1.0% 0.1% 14.0%
                Ermine White 4.6% 1.5% 0.3% 5.6% 0.5% 1.5% 0.3% 14.2%
                Other Color 1.2% 0.0% 4.3% 0.1% 0.0% 0.2% 0.2% 5.9%
                Riverside Red 12.8% 0.0% 0.1% 10.7% 0.2% 0.9% 0.3% 25.0%
                Saddle Tan 0.3% 0.0% 0.0% 0.1% 1.5% 4.9% 0.3% 7.0%
                Sebring Silver 8.6% 2.7% 0.1% 3.2% 0.3% 0.1% 0.2% 15.1%
                Silver Blue 2.4% 4.7% 0.3% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.1% 7.5%
                Tuxedo Black 6.0% 0.2% 0.2% 2.8% 0.5% 0.4% 0.0% 10.1%
                Unknown 0.1% 0.0% 0.0% 0.1% 0.0% 0.1% 0.9% 1.1%
                Grand Total 37.4% 19.5% 5.4% 23.0% 3.3% 9.1% 2.3% 100.0%

                - Chris

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                • Chris L.
                  Frequent User
                  • January 1, 1994
                  • 44

                  #23
                  Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

                  Originally posted by Sydney Garber (23984)
                  Hi Chris,
                  I would need to know your 63's serial number along with it's body number. Does it still have it's original motor? What is the hp and transmission type? Also, are there any other options like ps or pb etc?
                  What color is your car now?

                  Thanks
                  Syd
                  Syd,
                  The car has been bastardized over the years and I'm hoping to bring it back to life. the car has been off the road since the early 80's when the owner blew up the original engine. he purchased the car in 1965 while a senior in high school. he passed in 2019. The car is stripped of paint but you can still see the original black paint under the window trim and inside the doors. The Vin# is 30837S110186. Body # 5708. Trim 490L paint 900A. Engine and trans mission MIA though low redline tach so I'm guessing 250 0r 300HP with a four speed. I did get some 2 1/2 inch exhaust manifolds so I'm leaning towards a 300hp car. No power options. just radio, heater, 3:36 posi.

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                  • Sydney G.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • February 1, 1994
                    • 443

                    #24
                    Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

                    Originally posted by Chris LaFrenaye (23806)
                    Syd,
                    The car has been bastardized over the years and I'm hoping to bring it back to life. the car has been off the road since the early 80's when the owner blew up the original engine. he purchased the car in 1965 while a senior in high school. he passed in 2019. The car is stripped of paint but you can still see the original black paint under the window trim and inside the doors. The Vin# is 30837S110186. Body # 5708. Trim 490L paint 900A. Engine and trans mission MIA though low redline tach so I'm guessing 250 0r 300HP with a four speed. I did get some 2 1/2 inch exhaust manifolds so I'm leaning towards a 300hp car. No power options. just radio, heater, 3:36 posi.

                    Thanks for the info Chris.
                    I had your coupe #10,186 recorded pretty much as you describe.I had noted that it might have been a NOM and also the low horse tach.

                    Thanks again
                    Syd

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                    • Chris L.
                      Frequent User
                      • January 1, 1994
                      • 44

                      #25
                      Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

                      Syd,
                      That's interesting you had the car in your survey already. I bought the car from the previous owners widow and she said he bought the car when in high school around 1965'. the car sold originally from Felix Chevrolet in Los Angeles per the NCRS shipping/dealer info I received. Do you know when you were contacted with the information? What were the difference's from the previous reporting? The info I have is from the vehicle inspection and what the widow remembers.
                      Thanks,
                      Chris

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                      • Sydney G.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • February 1, 1994
                        • 443

                        #26
                        Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

                        Originally posted by Chris LaFrenaye (23806)
                        Syd,
                        That's interesting you had the car in your survey already. I bought the car from the previous owners widow and she said he bought the car when in high school around 1965'. the car sold originally from Felix Chevrolet in Los Angeles per the NCRS shipping/dealer info I received. Do you know when you were contacted with the information? What were the difference's from the previous reporting? The info I have is from the vehicle inspection and what the widow remembers.
                        Thanks,
                        Chris

                        Hey Chris,
                        I'm not certain when i recorded your coupe but it must have been through a for sale ad online.
                        I probably listed it right around the time you purchased.

                        I had it listed previously with the correct colors and body number so the trim tag was obviously shown.
                        The only difference from the initial report was that I was uncertain if it was a NOM.
                        I had it listed as being either a 3 or 4 spd car with a low horse tach.

                        Syd

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                        • Thomas B.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • October 11, 2021
                          • 298

                          #27
                          Re: How Many Black 63' coupes

                          Harry, nice 63. My 63 was originally Tuxedo Black/Black interior, redone in Riverside Red/Red interior by a previous owner. If I could figure out how to downsize my photos I would include a picture.

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