"Production Trends" - Colors

[Loren L.]

For those not swallowed up in GA election results, the PT papers show up some more interesting color combinations: in 1958, silver with black coves shows 36 units; in 1959, Yellow (Classic Cream) with Ivory coves shows 89 cars; in 1960, Cascade Green (solid) goes 75 cars, while Cascade Green with White coves is 65 cars; in 1961 Jewel Blue (solid) is 436 cars and Sateen Silver with White coves is 159 cars and in 1962, the ove affair with two-tones is over.

[Richard M.]

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The one I never saw was the 1958 Silver with Black coves. The data says it happened but I always doubted it.

Are we sure it in fact happened in the Paint Shop?

Rich

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BTW, if you never noticed before, it's in John A's Spec Guide... 1958 Equip, Prices section, pg 20. Says Code #527 was Silver/Black 36 cars. I think in Nolands book too.

[Loren L.]

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"Production Trends" was a confidential document of limited distribution to 49 names that "ring the memory bell". It would not surprise me to learn that John and Noland had/have copies.

[Keith B.]

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"Production Trends" was a confidential document of limited distribution to 49 names that "ring the memory bell". It would not surprise me to learn that John and Noland had/have copies.

so will this ever be available to the public

[Loren L.]

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The last information I have is that the original submission that resulted in the decision "not to publish" has been reconsidered and the article is being updated and is "on the way". If that is in error, I assume someone will chime in.

[Keith B.]

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is there anything in the "Book" that would be detrimental to the collector market? Or is it just fill of trivial facts?

[Tom B.]

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I have always been interested in the '59 Classic Cream cars, even though I have seen very few. I don't recall ever seeing a solid Classic Cream example even though there were more of those (134) verses the cream and white cars (89)

Tom

[Loren L.]

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"...detrimental to the collector market".....in a previous thread I pointed out that if you drove into an NCRS meet with a certain color/cove/interior combination, you could be told that St Louis did not build such a car according to the report....I guess that would be detrimental....but the decision to "not publish" at the time was made internally at NCRS, NOT by Chevrolet....we're now 40+ years later after the report.

[James G.]

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My dad in 1967 had a 58 Red with silver coves and red interior. twin 4bbl car with 20k miles on it, I had never seen the combo, red with silver coves is it somewhat rare?

[Richard M.]

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I'm still very curious about that '58 Silver/Black Cove combo. I saw that in the Spec Guide a hundred years ago and didn't believe it.

Maybe that's why they chose Missouri as the build center, cuz frankly....I STILL DON'T believe it.

Rich
PS James, Never a factory combo according to the "books" but there were some special undocumented colors or Primer..... 4 of them, again according to the Spec Guide, so Maybe one of those. Only way to prove it I guess is a original window sticker or Dealer Invoice. Would be cool to see that. Of course it's so very feasible that a buyer would have the dealer do it up before delivery too.

[Richard M.]

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I've been thinking. I get curiously questionable in the early morning....

Rhetorical questions.....

If John and Noland had access to PT so many years ago, and used the info in their publications then why has it taken so long for it to be considered for general publication now? Maybe the GM changeup years ago? Maybe the NEW GM, and the old restrictions don't apply anymore? But that was about 12 years ago in '08 after the banking crisis period, right? So why now and not years ago?

End of rhetorical questions....

I hope that this gets published for all. I only hope it was donated and will be available as a no-cost resource for everyone, as it should NOT be ALL About the Money.

Rich

[David B.]

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To clear the air - I am the individual responsible for holding this confidential documentation for years. Acquired from a vendor at Bloomington in the 1980,s it basically breaks down the already published production numbers in the BB, Spec. Guide etc.. Along with other internal GM documentation I have/had correcting errors found in these publications would be like trying to correct the bible. No body wants to believe!

[Loren L.]

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James, I checked and for 1958 Silver was listed as a cove color for Blue/Gray, Charcoal and Black. There are 4 cars listed for "Special and Prime".
Perhaps a giveaway memory check - was your dad's red a "tomato soup" red or RED. RED would make me lean to "repaint", especially after 9 years.
It's interesting to note the lack of Red/Silver through 1961. Color preference or UAW painters threatening malice because of #$^$@* silver flake?

[Keith B.]

Re: "Production Trends" - Colors

To clear the air - I am the individual responsible for holding this confidential documentation for years. Acquired from a vendor at Bloomington in the 1980,s it basically breaks down the already published production numbers in the BB, Spec. Guide etc.. Along with other internal GM documentation I have/had correcting errors found in these publications would be like trying to correct the bible. No body wants to believe!

David weather or not there are errors in a it. I think most would love to love to page though the document if you can make it available

[Keith R.]

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The guy I bought my '60 from told me that it was black with red coves but I seriously doubt it. There were no remnants of red paint in the cove or Spears areas although the car was painted a number of different colors over the years before I repainted it the original Black with Black coves. Unless you have COPO documentation, it's difficult to prove.