Early '69 Horn Confusion

[Floyd B.]

I recently restored my horns and got them working. It's now time to reinstall them, however I can have no confidence that the position of the horns was correct to start with because this car has been the victim of a lot of cringe-worthy work performed by one of the previous owners.

Upon checking both the AIM (sheet UPC-12, A-6) and the 5th edition TIM&JG (pg 197), there is a conflict. The AIM sheet appears below and it indicates that the 245 low-note is installed on the passenger side and the 246 high-note is installed on the driver's side with the horns oriented to point outboard. The TIM&JG states the opposite, "The horns for both years are 9000245 driver's side, low note and 9000246 passenger's side, high note ...and positioned so the horns point inboard."

This AIM sheet has no revision notes that indicate a swap of the horn positions during the production year. My car is an early Oct '68 build if that is relevant.

Simple question: which one is correct?


Horns AIM UPC12-A-6.jpg

[Jeffrey S.]

Re: Early '69 Horn Confusion

I recently restored my horns and got them working. It's now time to reinstall them, however I can have no confidence that the position of the horns was correct to start with because this car has been the victim of a lot of cringe-worthy work performed by one of the previous owners.

Upon checking both the AIM (sheet UPC-12, A-6) and the 5th edition TIM&JG (pg 197), there is a conflict. The AIM sheet appears below and it indicates that the 245 low-note is installed on the passenger side and the 246 high-note is installed on the driver's side with the horns oriented to point outboard. The TIM&JG states the opposite, "The horns for both years are 9000245 driver's side, low note and 9000246 passenger's side, high note ...and positioned so the horns point inboard."

This AIM sheet has no revision notes that indicate a swap of the horn positions during the production year. My car is an early Oct '68 build if that is relevant.

Simple question: which one is correct?


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Floyd,
I will be in my shop later today and will check the orientation of car also an October 68 car. I'll try to take a photo.
Jeff

[Terry M.]

Re: Early '69 Horn Confusion

Upon checking both the AIM (sheet UPC-12, A-6) and the 5th edition TIM&JG (pg 197), there is a conflict. .... The TIM&JG states the opposite, "The horns for both years are 9000245 driver's side, low note and 9000246 passenger's side, high note ...and positioned so the horns point inboard."


Simple question: which one is correct?

The wording in the 6th Edition of the 1968-69 TIM&JG is slightly different: Pages 203 & 204
"The horns for both years are 9000245 driver's side (LH), low note and 9000246 passenger's (RH) side, high note. ...Original horns are spot welded to the mounting bracket and positioned so the horns point down for water drainage."

It now appears the description in the TIM&JG agrees with the drawing in the AIM, except for the high and low note orientation. We should wait confirmation from owners with unmolested cars to respond, but I assUme this was checked by the manual revision team before this change was made. I will make some inquiries from that team to be sure because y'all know where assUmptions get one.

[Jeffrey S.]

Re: Early '69 Horn Confusion

Floyd,
I'm not sure this will help answer the question but on my car the driver's side horn points toward the outside while the passenger horn points down. It is possible that in the 50 years of ownership, the passenger side was replaced (I don't remember). I couldn't get a good picture.
Jeff

[Floyd B.]

Re: Early '69 Horn Confusion

Thank you gentlemen. I think I'll install them as indicated in the AIM. If we find that unmolested cars have them installed otherwise, it's a 10 minute job to swap them.

[Mike E.]

Re: Early '69 Horn Confusion

FWIW, we had similar discussions about 61-62 horns for a couple of decades. After studying many original cars, we concluded that the AIM has the part numbers inverted. On the line, they did insert the odd numbered part on the left and the even-numbered part on the right, in spite of the AIM's inaccuracy.

[Don L.]

Re: Early '69 Horn Confusion

FWIW, we had similar discussions about 61-62 horns for a couple of decades. After studying many original cars, we concluded that the AIM has the part numbers inverted. On the line, they did insert the odd numbered part on the left and the even-numbered part on the right, in spite of the AIM's inaccuracy.

[Mike E.]

Re: Early '69 Horn Confusion

I thought that was implicit in what I wrote, but I guess I need to be more thorough.

[Don L.]

[Floyd B.]

Re: Early '69 Horn Confusion

Not that this proves anything but the 1969 Chassis Service Manual follows the convention stated by Mike and Don: i.e. 245 Low-Note on the drivers side and 246 Hi-Note on the passenger side.

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