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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 31, 1988
    • 43196

    A New Big Block

    Well, I would have never imagined that in this era of emissions regulations, fuel economy regulations, and downsized, overhead cam, multi valve engines everywhere you look that they'd be a brand new design big block released. But, it's happened. A brand new, all aluminum, V-8 big block of 453 cid. It's old-school cam-in-block and 2 valves per cylinder and naturally aspirated. Who needs turbos with 453 cid? Will we ever see it in a Corvette? NEVER; it's a new FORD engine. Who would have thought that the company that led the charge to small displacement, multi valve, overhead cam, turbocharged engines would have designed and built an engine like this new 453 cid in today's world? Obviously, it's destined for some truck applications but it's going to be available in crate engine form.

    I've got to hand this to Ford: over the last 50 years they've produced some very special engines. The 427 push-rod V-8 that in the Ford GT finished 1-2-3 at LeMans in 1966 vanquishing the exotic, race-bred foreign engines to the new big block of 2020. The old 427 was the direct descendant of the 332 V-8 which first appeared in 1958 Ford sedans. Ford also had many other unique and capable engines like the 1969-70 Boss 302, the marriage of a special Windsor block with special Cleveland heads and the Boss 429 which, in my opinion, is the best looking engine ever installed in a US built car.

    Please don't look at me as a turn-coat; I'm just giving credit where credit is due. It's the River City Joe in me.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley
  • Mark F.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 31, 1998
    • 1482

    #2
    Re: A New Big Block

    Originally posted by Joe Lucia (12484)
    Well, I would have never imagined that in this era of emissions regulations, fuel economy regulations, and downsized, overhead cam, multi valve engines everywhere you look that they'd be a brand new design big block released. But, it's happened. A brand new, all aluminum, V-8 big block of 453 cid. It's old-school cam-in-block and 2 valves per cylinder and naturally aspirated. Who needs turbos with 453 cid? Will we ever see it in a Corvette? NEVER; it's a new FORD engine. Who would have thought that the company that led the charge to small displacement, multi valve, overhead cam, turbocharged engines would have designed and built an engine like this new 453 cid in today's world? Obviously, it's destined for some truck applications but it's going to be available in crate engine form.

    I've got to hand this to Ford: over the last 50 years they've produced some very special engines. The 427 push-rod V-8 that in the Ford GT finished 1-2-3 at LeMans in 1966 vanquishing the exotic, race-bred foreign engines to the new big block of 2020. The old 427 was the direct descendant of the 332 V-8 which first appeared in 1958 Ford sedans. Ford also had many other unique and capable engines like the 1969-70 Boss 302, the marriage of a special Windsor block with special Cleveland heads and the Boss 429 which, in my opinion, is the best looking engine ever installed in a US built car.

    Please don't look at me as a turn-coat; I'm just giving credit where credit is due. It's the River City Joe in me.
    Wow, Joe have you lost your mind - just kidding...now that you're out of the closet, I can come out too. I was an ex-Blue Oval employee 1977 to 1981 when "we?" were the #2 automaker in terms of size and production in those days. In addition to what you say about the big blocks, I did several jobs in both the Windsor and Cleveland engine and casting plants (Cleveland actually had two engine plants back then). I will tell you in those days, there was a genuine healthy competition between our Canadian friends in Windsor (literally across the river from Detroit) and the Cleveland folks with regard to the 351s. I'm rather partial now to my Chevy 427-400, but the 351s - of Windsor or Cleveland birth - wound up in a lot of cars...thx for your comments Joe, I enjoyed them - Mark
    thx,
    Mark

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    • Michael J.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • January 26, 2009
      • 7089

      #3
      Re: A New Big Block

      If you are talking about the new Ford 7.3 liter "Godzilla" engine, I am soon going to order it in my Shelby F-250 they are making soon with 800 HP, a 3.5 liter Whipple supercharger on top of it. I can't wait.
      Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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      • Leif A.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • August 31, 1997
        • 3611

        #4
        Re: A New Big Block

        Michael,
        You're my hero. I live vicariously through you and your vehicles.
        Leif
        '67 Coupe L79, M21, C60, N14, N40, J50, A31, U69, A01, QB1
        Top Flight 2017 Lone Star Regional

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        • Danny P.
          Very Frequent User
          • June 30, 2002
          • 338

          #5
          Re: A New Big Block

          Look out for GM to come out with a Big Block Chevy, maybe like a 500 cid, in a C8 Z06

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          • Michael J.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • January 26, 2009
            • 7089

            #6
            Re: A New Big Block

            Originally posted by Leif Anderson (29632)
            Michael,
            You're my hero. I live vicariously through you and your vehicles.
            Thanks Leif! I need to replace my Shelby F-150 for towing, and GM makes no high HP V8 gasoline trucks, and diesels are not acceptable to me. My current Shelby is a 700 HP 5 liter engine, but as it is a dual OHC, 32 valve model, it lacks the low end torque I prefer for towing my Corvettes, so I need to upgrade, I just wish GM would get into the market.
            Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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            • Tim G.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • February 28, 1990
              • 1360

              #7
              Re: A New Big Block

              I have a 510 cubic inch all aluminum 680 horse Ford FE motor in my Kirkham aluminum Cobra. It is a new Shelby long block and it's absolutely scary fast.

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              • Terry M.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • September 30, 1980
                • 15578

                #8
                Re: A New Big Block

                Originally posted by Danny Pantuso (63794)
                Look out for GM to come out with a Big Block Chevy, maybe like a 500 cid, in a C8 Z06
                I hope you are right, but I doubt it. Flat plane, DOHC about 5 Liter, red line at 8000+
                Terry

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                • Richard M.
                  Super Moderator
                  • August 31, 1988
                  • 11317

                  #9
                  Re: A New Big Block

                  Interesting info Joe thanks for sharing.

                  Originally posted by Mark Francis (30800)
                  ..... I did several jobs in both the Windsor and Cleveland engine and casting plants (Cleveland actually had two engine plants back then). I will tell you in those days, there was a genuine healthy competition between our Canadian friends in Windsor (literally across the river from Detroit) and the Cleveland folks with regard to the 351s. I'm rather partial now to my Chevy 427-400, but the 351s - of Windsor or Cleveland birth - wound up in a lot of cars...thx for your comments Joe, I enjoyed them - Mark
                  I was a Ford enthusiast for years, at 18 with my first car in 1972 for $550, a '69 Mustang 302ci C4 Auto Coupe with 48k miles. Then a 351ci Windsor under the hood in my brand new '74 Gran Torino Elite. That engine was great and didn't burn oil through over 165k miles of use in over the 14+ years owned. Then a used rusty old '70 F100 352ci 4 speed 4wd with Fisher plow, then a new '84 Bronco(yes the ones that tailgate rusted out at the lower seam after a year or so!). Then a '93 Mercury Villager Van(Nissan Quest).... the one with the Nissan engine that had internal oil pump gaskets fail and dump the whole wad through the front cover on the ground, on thousands of them just as warranty expired and no good-faith help.

                  Then switched to GM.

                  Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                  Thanks Leif! I need to replace my Shelby F-150 for towing, and GM makes no high HP V8 gasoline trucks, and diesels are not acceptable to me. My current Shelby is a 700 HP 5 liter engine, but as it is a dual OHC, 32 valve model, it lacks the low end torque I prefer for towing my Corvettes, so I need to upgrade, I just wish GM would get into the market.
                  Michael, Not a BB monster but have you checked out the GM 6.2L gas engine specs?

                  A month ago I got a GMC Sierra AT4 with the 6.2L EcoTec3 gas stingy beastly engine. It's no BB but I have to say very impressive 420HP 460LB/FT torque. Actually a tad more than 420HP as this one has the RPO cat-back exhaust and sounds a little bit like a '67 427 sidepipe coupe. Just came back from a 4700 mile trip, fully loaded stuff in the bed total trip averaged 19.9MPG. Empty bed 200 mile door-to-door highway day trips to visit our ill relative got 23.9MPG.

                  Upgraded from my '06 5.3L Silverado, which struggled towing the Corvette in the enclosed trailer. The new Sierra tow capability is 9200LB TWR and will also be good for towing a small camper we're planning to get.

                  I have to say this is the most impressive vehicle I've ever owned as it's so powerful and so versatile. I especially like the split tailgate. It's a real back saver.

                  Rich

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                  • Michael J.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • January 26, 2009
                    • 7089

                    #10
                    Re: A New Big Block

                    Thanks, I will look at it, but less than 500 HP and they usually have trouble on the steep terrain around here.
                    Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                    • Leif A.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • August 31, 1997
                      • 3611

                      #11
                      Re: A New Big Block

                      Michael,
                      What's the torque in this "Godzilla"?
                      Leif
                      '67 Coupe L79, M21, C60, N14, N40, J50, A31, U69, A01, QB1
                      Top Flight 2017 Lone Star Regional

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                      • Michael J.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • January 26, 2009
                        • 7089

                        #12
                        Re: A New Big Block

                        It is 475 lb.ft. stock, with the supercharger it should be in the high 500s. Here is an article about various ways to increase the performance on it. Like the 427 was, lots of ways to add HP and torque......https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...th-basic-mods/
                        Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                        • Ronald L.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • October 18, 2009
                          • 3248

                          #13
                          Re: A New Big Block

                          You just need remember One thing and I have more sweat into that 4-letter word that all of you collectively, zero integrity company...Found On the Road Dead, fix or repair daily....

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                          • Mark E.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • March 31, 1993
                            • 4503

                            #14
                            Re: A New Big Block

                            Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                            Thanks Leif! I need to replace my Shelby F-150 for towing, and GM makes no high HP V8 gasoline trucks, and diesels are not acceptable to me. My current Shelby is a 700 HP 5 liter engine, but as it is a dual OHC, 32 valve model, it lacks the low end torque I prefer for towing my Corvettes, so I need to upgrade, I just wish GM would get into the market.

                            With 460 lb/ft of torque, a Chevy or GMC truck like Richard's should tow whatever you need. At your altitude, a turbocharged engine, even though smaller, may perform even better for you. Ford's Powerboot V6 Hybrid has 760 lb/ft of torque and won't get weak at altitude.
                            Mark Edmondson
                            Dallas, Texas
                            Texas Chapter

                            1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
                            1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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                            • Michael J.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • January 26, 2009
                              • 7089

                              #15
                              Re: A New Big Block

                              Not sure the 460HP is enough, I will look into the 760 torque one, but I dislike hybrids and V6s. I am a V8 gasoline engine guy, and having 700 HP the last 5 years has spoiled me somewhat.
                              Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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