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  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • December 31, 1992
    • 15621

    Need help with single point dist. cam/weight base mystery - Joe L or anyone else

    This is a companion thread to;



    where I described a similar situation with a '66 L-36. I finally convinced Hector that we had to pull the distributor and disassemble to find the issue because it was only providing 20 degrees centrifugal instead of the OE 30... bottom line is this dist. appeared to be assembled from a box of junk parts.

    The cam assembly was 522, and I think many of us believe that the last two digits indicate the total centrifugal advance available and the most common are 524 and 530 - at least on C2s.

    So we drove over to David Sokolowskils place. Hector has a very good relationship with David and when we arrived David was laying out what was a milk bottle crate full of these parts on a table. My initial objective was to get a 530 or a 532, but as I looked at the rows I found numbers that I had never seen before, like a 518, 536, and 740 (or was it 540). I had no idea so many existed. My '77 vintage P & A catalog shows nine, but there must have been more different ones in this collection. I suggested to David that some had come for other GM divisions (all use the same family of parts for V8 distributors), but he said that they ALL came from Corvette tach drive distributors. You could clearly see that there was a correlation with the length of the slot with the last two digit of the number.

    My objective changed to get close to the '67 (not '66) spark advance map, so I wanted a part that ended with 32, but there were two types, 532 and 732, and so far we have not been able to find any differences, but we're not done measuring or scratching our heads. I picked out a dozen parts for more thorough evaluation. I was getting late and David said to take them all home, do our analysis and return what we didn't want. Great! We said we'd see him next week when we get back at the job.



    So my question is does anyone know why there are two "32 degree" cam assemblies, and why there are some others with the same last two digits, but either a 5 and a 7 as the first?



    Before we drove out to David's place I called Lars to consult with him. Hector's '66 CSM did not show where the #1 plug wire was indexed on the cap. It was the same as a SB when we pulled it out and I wanted to verify. Lars said yes.

    Hector has two other '66 L-36 distributors, both mag pulse for a TI One is used and one is "rebuilt" by some Corvette outfit. Both these and the Frankenstein we pulled off his engine had the gear dimple opposite the rotor tip. Lars said it should be pointing toward the rotor tip, just like a SB, but if it isn't you don't run into the initial advance limit issues like on a SB. Nevertheless, we'll assemble as it properly with the dimple pointing the same direction at the rotor tip.

    Some of you may not know that TI and single point distributors use the same base, so we are going to use the best parts from all three along with what we get from David to assemble a good distributor with as close to the '67 L-36 spark advance map that had 2 degrees more centrifugal and 4 degrees less vacuum advance than '66. Lars is sending one of his vacuum advance limiter kits if we decide to need to reduce the max '66 vacuum advance of 16 @ 12" to 12 at 12" per the '67 map.

    Then we'll see if we can quicken the curve without detonation.


    Duke
  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 31, 1988
    • 43195

    #2
    Re: Need help with single point dist. cam/weight base mystery - Joe L or anyone else

    Originally posted by Duke Williams (22045)
    This is a companion thread to;



    where I described a similar situation with a '66 L-36. I finally convinced Hector that we had to pull the distributor and disassemble to find the issue because it was only providing 20 degrees centrifugal instead of the OE 30... bottom line is this dist. appeared to be assembled from a box of junk parts.

    The cam assembly was 522, and I think many of us believe that the last two digits indicate the total centrifugal advance available and the most common are 524 and 530 - at least on C2s.

    So we drove over to David Sokolowskils place. Hector has a very good relationship with David and when we arrived David was laying out what was a milk bottle crate full of these parts on a table. My initial objective was to get a 530 or a 532, but as I looked at the rows I found numbers that I had never seen before, like a 518, 536, and 740 (or was it 540). I had no idea so many existed. My '77 vintage P & A catalog shows nine, but there must have been more different ones in this collection. I suggested to David that some had come for other GM divisions (all use the same family of parts for V8 distributors), but he said that they ALL came from Corvette tach drive distributors. You could clearly see that there was a correlation with the length of the slot with the last two digit of the number.

    My objective changed to get close to the '67 (not '66) spark advance map, so I wanted a part that ended with 32, but there were two types, 532 and 732, and so far we have not been able to find any differences, but we're not done measuring or scratching our heads. I picked out a dozen parts for more thorough evaluation. I was getting late and David said to take them all home, do our analysis and return what we didn't want. Great! We said we'd see him next week when we get back at the job.



    So my question is does anyone know why there are two "32 degree" cam assemblies, and why there are some others with the same last two digits, but either a 5 and a 7 as the first?



    Before we drove out to David's place I called Lars to consult with him. Hector's '66 CSM did not show where the #1 plug wire was indexed on the cap. It was the same as a SB when we pulled it out and I wanted to verify. Lars said yes.

    Hector has two other '66 L-36 distributors, both mag pulse for a TI One is used and one is "rebuilt" by some Corvette outfit. Both these and the Frankenstein we pulled off his engine had the gear dimple opposite the rotor tip. Lars said it should be pointing toward the rotor tip, just like a SB, but if it isn't you don't run into the initial advance limit issues like on a SB. Nevertheless, we'll assemble as it properly with the dimple pointing the same direction at the rotor tip.

    Some of you may not know that TI and single point distributors use the same base, so we are going to use the best parts from all three along with what we get from David to assemble a good distributor with as close to the '67 L-36 spark advance map that had 2 degrees more centrifugal and 4 degrees less vacuum advance than '66. Lars is sending one of his vacuum advance limiter kits if we decide to need to reduce the max '66 vacuum advance of 16 @ 12" to 12 at 12" per the '67 map.

    Then we'll see if we can quicken the curve without detonation.


    Duke

    Duke------


    There were many different cam/weight bases used over the years on Corvette distributors. The part used for 1966 L-36 was originally GM #1966994. I do not know what the 3 digit identification code was for this part. It was discontinued in July, 1972 and replaced by GM #1967002 which also replaced several other earlier cam/weight bases . The latter has the identification code "530" stamped into it. It was discontinued without supersession in May, 1991.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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    • Trenton R.
      Expired
      • November 9, 2019
      • 2

      #3
      Re: Need help with single point dist. cam/weight base mystery - Joe L or anyone else

      Duke,
      My understanding is that mainshaft cam determined the shape of the advance curve and the weight base determined max advance. From reading your posts I have to wonder if you are trying to find the correct part instead of the correct parts.

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      • Trenton R.
        Expired
        • November 9, 2019
        • 2

        #4
        Re: Need help with single point dist. cam/weight base mystery - Joe L or anyone else

        After reading my previous post, I have apologize. It was lazy and less clear than I intended.
        I wanted to point out that the mainshaft and weight base should be looked at as different parts and not as a single unit. After a little research into t.i. distributors, I found that there were 23 different distributors with 18 different mainshafts and 10 different weight bases. From 66-67, 3 of these distributors were used for the 400hp 427. The huge number of possible combinations make your search incredibly daunting.
        I would urge you to contact Dave Fiedler at T.I. Specialties. He deals with ti distributors on a daily basis. I would assume he could point you in the right direction since he specializes in only 23 different combinations.
        I hope this post helps and makes up for the unintended snark in my last post.

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        • Duke W.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • December 31, 1992
          • 15621

          #5
          Re: Need help with single point dist. cam/weight base mystery - Joe L or anyone else

          The part I am referring to is the cam/weight base that has the eight lobes that open and close the points, and the weights sit on top of this part. I am not referring to the autocam (sometimes called the "football") that's welded to the top of the shaft.

          Duke

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          • Duke W.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • December 31, 1992
            • 15621

            #6
            Re: Need help with single point dist. cam/weight base mystery - Joe L or anyone else

            I believe we found the cam/weight base we want... actually two candidates stamped 732 and 532. The last two digits should be the approximate amount of centrifugal advance, and the slots are the same length. I find no other physical differences, so my question is what is the difference between the 732 and 532?

            The Frankenstein distributor we removed is single point and it will remain that way. We have two mag pulse distributors, one used and one "rebuilt" from some Corvette parts house. We will probably use the housing and main shaft of the used one, one of the used cam/weight base we got from Sokolowski and replace the pickup coil with a breaker plate.

            Duke

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            • Chris D.
              Very Frequent User
              • October 31, 2002
              • 198

              #7
              Re: Need help with single point dist. cam/weight base mystery - Joe L or anyone else

              Originally posted by Duke Williams (22045)
              This is a companion thread to;



              where I described a similar situation with a '66 L-36. I finally convinced Hector that we had to pull the distributor and disassemble to find the issue because it was only providing 20 degrees centrifugal instead of the OE 30... bottom line is this dist. appeared to be assembled from a box of junk parts.

              The cam assembly was 522, and I think many of us believe that the last two digits indicate the total centrifugal advance available and the most common are 524 and 530 - at least on C2s.

              So we drove over to David Sokolowskils place. Hector has a very good relationship with David and when we arrived David was laying out what was a milk bottle crate full of these parts on a table. My initial objective was to get a 530 or a 532, but as I looked at the rows I found numbers that I had never seen before, like a 518, 536, and 740 (or was it 540). I had no idea so many existed. My '77 vintage P & A catalog shows nine, but there must have been more different ones in this collection. I suggested to David that some had come for other GM divisions (all use the same family of parts for V8 distributors), but he said that they ALL came from Corvette tach drive distributors. You could clearly see that there was a correlation with the length of the slot with the last two digit of the number.

              My objective changed to get close to the '67 (not '66) spark advance map, so I wanted a part that ended with 32, but there were two types, 532 and 732, and so far we have not been able to find any differences, but we're not done measuring or scratching our heads. I picked out a dozen parts for more thorough evaluation. I was getting late and David said to take them all home, do our analysis and return what we didn't want. Great! We said we'd see him next week when we get back at the job.



              So my question is does anyone know why there are two "32 degree" cam assemblies, and why there are some others with the same last two digits, but either a 5 and a 7 as the first?



              Before we drove out to David's place I called Lars to consult with him. Hector's '66 CSM did not show where the #1 plug wire was indexed on the cap. It was the same as a SB when we pulled it out and I wanted to verify. Lars said yes.

              Hector has two other '66 L-36 distributors, both mag pulse for a TI One is used and one is "rebuilt" by some Corvette outfit. Both these and the Frankenstein we pulled off his engine had the gear dimple opposite the rotor tip. Lars said it should be pointing toward the rotor tip, just like a SB, but if it isn't you don't run into the initial advance limit issues like on a SB. Nevertheless, we'll assemble as it properly with the dimple pointing the same direction at the rotor tip.

              Some of you may not know that TI and single point distributors use the same base, so we are going to use the best parts from all three along with what we get from David to assemble a good distributor with as close to the '67 L-36 spark advance map that had 2 degrees more centrifugal and 4 degrees less vacuum advance than '66. Lars is sending one of his vacuum advance limiter kits if we decide to need to reduce the max '66 vacuum advance of 16 @ 12" to 12 at 12" per the '67 map.

              Then we'll see if we can quicken the curve without detonation.


              Duke


              Duke,

              Any chance that the cam lobes are clocked differently a minor amount? Seems there were only two engines spec'd with 32 centrifugal so the plate number difference might follow differences between the 390 and 425 hp engines.

              Chris

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              • Duke W.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • December 31, 1992
                • 15621

                #8
                Re: Need help with single point dist. cam/weight base mystery - Joe L or anyone else

                I have to give them a more thorough inspection. The '67 427/390 max centrifugal is 32, but I don't know if the cam-weight base is a 532 or 732.

                Duke

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