1965 L84 Register

[Gary C.]

After making the 65 L78 Register I thought I would make one for 1965 L84 Fuelies.
771 built and there are 86 on the C2 Registry.

1965 L84 Register

Gary,
Perth, Western Australia

[Don H.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

I believe Jim Gessner has a list of the '65s.

[Michael G.]

[Michael J.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

Is there a reason to duplicate Jim's registry?

[Dave S.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

Is there a reason to duplicate Jim's registry?

it will never be duplicated. It is as complete as it can be. Certainally no reason to create any confusion and mis-information. That is why Jim and Drew combined what they both had.
Only thing to do is to keep feeding Jim credible information so it continues to improve.

[Gary C.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

Is Jim's list in the public domain?

[Michael G.]

[Mike T.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

Is there a reason anyone would expect or want any registry or 'list' to not be made public? If any Corvette owner wanted to keep their vehicles information private, the info would be kept private and they wouldn't post that info to a public site but on the other hand, there have been a number of owners, both NCRS members and non-NCRS members, who've decided to share their Corvettes info such as on the C2Registry.org and I for one feel that enhances the interest in early Corvettes. I personally like reading about rare early Corvettes, and enjoy reading about the details of, for instance, any 67 L88 Corvettes that might surface, or any of the 16 L89 versions that still might exist. If that info were only made available to the 'extremely few' that also own these rare cars, that would be a big disappointment to those other hobbyists that enjoy reading about those limited production Corvettes. Due to the recent thread started by Mike Ernst, regarding '65 396 Registry', there's been a renewed interest in compiling a 'Public List' or 'Registry' containing any known 65 396 Corvettes. So far, the efforts by interested parties, most notably Gary Cowan, has compiled a list of 218 65 L78 Bigblock Corvettes and I applaud the effort.

[Terry M.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

Is there a reason anyone would expect or want any registry or 'list' to not be made public? If any Corvette owner wanted to keep their vehicles information private, the info would be kept private and they wouldn't post that info to a public site but on the other hand, there have been a number of owners, both NCRS members and non-NCRS members, who've decided to share their Corvettes info such as on the C2Registry.org and I for one feel that enhances the interest in early Corvettes. I personally like reading about rare early Corvettes, and enjoy reading about the details of, for instance, any 67 L88 Corvettes that might surface, or any of the 16 L89 versions that still might exist. If that info were only made available to the 'extremely few' that also own these rare cars, that would be a big disappointment to those other hobbyists that enjoy reading about those limited production Corvettes. Due to the recent thread started by Mike Ernst, regarding '65 396 Registry', there's been a renewed interest in compiling a 'Public List' or 'Registry' containing any known 65 396 Corvettes. So far, the efforts by interested parties, most notably Gary Cowan, has compiled a list of 218 65 L78 Bigblock Corvettes and I applaud the effort.

Mike
I was surprised to find the information from a car I own posted to a public site without my permission or knowledge.

While I have no objection to that information made public, I would rather have done it myself. If, on the other hand, I had not wanted it made public I would have been more than a little angry to find it in the public domain.

Some people might think publicizing all that data could lead to the creation of fake cars. Better and better fakes could result. And those people could object to their vehicle data being publicized. "Newton was right: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

[Michael J.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

Mike
I was surprised to find the information from a car I own posted to a public site without my permission or knowledge.

While I have no objection to that information made public, I would rather have done it myself. If, on the other hand, I had not wanted it made public I would have been more than a little angry to find it in the public domain.

Some people might think publicizing all that data could lead to the creation of fake cars. Better and better fakes could result. And those people could object to their vehicle data being publicized. "Newton was right: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Well said Terry, and I totally agree. It is a very slippery and dangerous slope when people start collecting data and publishing it publicly on other people's cars. In many ways.

[Mike T.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

Terry - Any idea how those folks got the info on your car to begin with?
The L78 list that has been discussed started out with Corvettes already listed on a public domain, the C2Registry, and others who've seen our long-running thread about 65 396's have voluntarily offered up their vehicles info and history.
Regarding the creation of fake cars, I suspect that will continue to happen regardless of whether their are lists or not but topics on sites like the NCRS and Corvette Forum do help to educate folks so they are 'less' likely to be scammed into buying a put-together Corvette.

[Gary C.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

The L84 list, as Steve said was extracted from the C2Rregistry and no cars have been added.

The L78 list started the same way and it has been expanded now by people adding their cars to it. These additions have been reflected between both registers.

Terry, I can always remove it from my list and I sure Rob Musquetier will on the C2 registry if asked.
Or perhaps just remove the owners name only.
But once the Vette is advertised for sale it is in the public domain anyway.
We are simply trying to show how few of these cars are left to enhance their rarity and collectability.

[Terry M.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

The L84 list, as Steve said was extracted from the C2Rregistry and no cars have been added.

The L78 list started the same way and it has been expanded now by people adding their cars to it. These additions have been reflected between both registers.

Terry, I can always remove it from my list and I sure Rob Musquetier will on the C2 registry if asked.
Or perhaps just remove the owners name only.
But once the Vette is advertised for sale it is in the public domain anyway.
We are simply trying to show how few of these cars are left to enhance their rarity and collectability.

Gary
The car was/is my 1970 LT1. Last I looked my name was not there but the town I live in was. I lead a very public life, so I am not hard to locate if someone wanted to make the effort. I knew that was one of the prices for leading the kind of life I do, so no harm there. It was not what they posted, but how it was done -- behind my back so to speak. Had I known of the list I probably would have posted the data myself, but I didn't have that chance. That car has never been for sale and never will be. The expression: Pried from my cold dead hands comes to mind.

Terry - Any idea how those folks got the info on your car to begin with?
The L78 list that has been discussed started out with Corvettes already listed on a public domain, the C2Registry, and others who've seen our long-running thread about 65 396's have voluntarily offered up their vehicles info and history.
Regarding the creation of fake cars, I suspect that will continue to happen regardless of whether their are lists or not but topics on sites like the NCRS and Corvette Forum do help to educate folks so they are 'less' likely to be scammed into buying a put-together Corvette.

Mike I have no idea how the info got there or who was involved. Back then I had the car displayed at a number of events, and not all of them NCRS events. Almost anyone could have taken the information right from the car. As an example: I had the car judged at Bloomington Gold when it was at the McLean County Fair Grounds (boy does that date me). My wife sat with the car while I "toured" the swap meet. When I returned someone had scraped the dirt and rust from the master cylinder area to see the date. No damage, but I was offended at the intrusion. I would have told them what was there; but of course I wasn't present.

I posted in this thread just to lend another point of view to the discussion. I personally keep several "lists" which I have shared only with a few close friends. I only do that so the lists will live on when I am gone. I started them when I was a National Team Leader in an effort to provide reasonably accurate dates to folks who had to search for missing dated major components. I was trying to make it a little better than "six months before the car was built."

The challenge, as I see it, is to be able to provide information to NCRS members and other enthusiasts and at the same time not make the unscrupulous individuals tasks easier. I believe educating Corvette enthusiasts before they purchase a car should be our mission, but how to do that and at the same time not help the unscrupulous is the crux of the matter. Where there is money to be made some will always try to take the easy way to that pot of gold. And of course the uninformed are their victims. I wish I knew where the answer is to this dilemma, but I don't. As so many things now days: it is easy to outline the problem, but the solution is elusive.

[James G.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

Dear 1965 Fuel Injection owner,



Carl Cruz from Ventura, California started this REGISTRY in 1977. He bought a FI Roadster from Pat Connell of Connell Chevrolet that I wanted in 1975. I missed the purchase by 20 minutes. We became friends after that, and started sharing information on these great cars. Carl sold his car in 2003, so I took over the REGISTRY since then. With the internet advances of the last 10 years, the job has been so much easier than the old paper file days.


In 1985, Drew Papsun from Norwalk, Ct was doing the same data collecting, so we started to share info. In 2004, we met again at BLOOMINGTON, and traded each other with our data in old type written and early computer format. Surprisingly we discovered we both had many duplicates, but new data as well. We have since combined the SURVEY into MICROSOFT EXCEL and APPLE PAGES format.


Over the years many Rochester Fuel Injection experts like Mike Hunt, Brian Futo, Jerry Bramlett, John DeGregory, Chris Wickersham, Gary Hodges, Gary Summerville, Fritz Allen, Charlie Bacon, Ed Wittwer, Dan Pyzel, Jeff Reade, Doug Prince and many others have contributed to this SURVEY. It is the love and passion of keeping these 1957-65 old Rochester systems running that keep us alive and well.


Today, I get or find about 1 to 2 new entries or updates every month. The info starts with the vin number, and goes from there. As of July 18, 2020, I have 212 roadsters, 232 coupes, 164 fuel units with vin numbers, and 10 engines for a grand total of 619 of the original 771 cars made accounted for.


regularly and also CorvetteForum . I help many people find good cars



Thank you for participating, and I Look forward to visiting with you. Feel free to call or email anytime.
Regards,
JIM GESSNER
Website: www.vettefinderjim.com
BANDERA, TEXAS 78003
Cell 909-557-4870

[Gary C.]

Re: 1965 L84 Register

Bruce on the C2 Registry has asked this question.

“How many Goldwood Yellow (XX) Corvettes with the Fuel Injected L84 engine were produced in 1965? How many of those were coupes? It is reported that 771 Fuel Injected cars were produced, and 1,275 Goldwood Yellow Corvettes were produced.”
Are there any on Jim's L84 list?