1963 chassis frame stencil

[Jack K.]

Working on the restoration of an early production (VIN #2118) split window coupe. Chassis stencil has been added, and just trying to determine if the number used for the A O Smith part number was done correctly (I have looked in the NCRS Judging Guide, but still a bit uncertain). The stencil for the GM part number is correct as 3819263, and I know the A O Smith part number of 303196 is correct, but after the 303196, there is a dash and then the designation "IP" (meaning, it appears as 303196-IP). So, I guess my question is, what does the "IP" refer to? Can't seem to figure that out.

Thanks in advance for any help or guidance on this!!

[Joe R.]

Re: 1963 chassis frame stencil

Jack,

Thought you might be interested in these pictures of 63 10,XXX original number on the left rear (drivers side) upside down and the stencils is used to reproduce the numbers on the restored frame.

JR
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[Joe R.]

Re: 1963 chassis frame stencil

Jack,

Thought you might be interested in these pictures of 63 10,XXX original number on the left rear (drivers side) upside down and the stencils is used to reproduce the numbers on the restored frame.

JR
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Sorry, removed the last pic as it was of another restoration.

[Jack K.]

Re: 1963 chassis frame stencil

Thanks Joe. Is there any rhyme or reason as to the "-2-P" designation? Does it mean or indicate anything, or is it just part of the A O Smith part number and that's all there is to it. The judging guide regers to aa one digit number that follows the A O Smith part number, but there is no clarification as to what it may refer to. Strange. Hoping someone can clarify more fully.

Thanks again.

[Joe R.]

Re: 1963 chassis frame stencil

Thanks Joe. Is there any rhyme or reason as to the "-2-P" designation? Does it mean or indicate anything, or is it just part of the A O Smith part number and that's all there is to it. The judging guide regers to aa one digit number that follows the A O Smith part number, but there is no clarification as to what it may refer to. Strange. Hoping someone can clarify more fully.

Thanks again.

Jack,

Sorry, just showing what was real on the 63. No explanation! Just fact!

JR

[Alan D.]

Re: 1963 chassis frame stencil

No AO Smith exist, that happened in Jan 64 - will that help

[Jack K.]

Re: 1963 chassis frame stencil

If I'm reading the judging manual correctly, yes, you are correct - the AO Smith body build date codes did not appear to start January 1964. But that's the "body build date"; can we presume that also applies to the frame?? Strange. So, since my car is an early production '63 (built sometime in October 1962), it would then seem that the "IP" designation is simply just a portion of the A O Smith part number, and has no special significance?

However, the judging manual (page 145) really does not clarify this aspect. In fact, the manual says "The XX suffix characters are 3/4" high and single digit in the 1963 models, usually in the range of 1 to 5...."

Joe's response to my post, with a serial number of his car being in the 10,XXX production range, has a "2-P" designation, and that is NOT what the judging manual shows. So, I'm wondering if the judging manual is really all inclusive? Maybe it should refer to the frames as having not a "single digit", but maybe either a single OR double digit??

Thanks for your input, Alan. Much appreciated.

[Alan D.]

Re: 1963 chassis frame stencil

OK Jack,
did not realize two part numbers existed, mine shows the 303196-11 however it's a Mar64 car.

[Joe R.]

Re: 1963 chassis frame stencil

If I'm reading the judging manual correctly, yes, you are correct - the AO Smith body build date codes did not appear to start January 1964. But that's the "body build date"; can we presume that also applies to the frame?? Strange. So, since my car is an early production '63 (built sometime in October 1962), it would then seem that the "IP" designation is simply just a portion of the A O Smith part number, and has no special significance?

However, the judging manual (page 145) really does not clarify this aspect. In fact, the manual says "The XX suffix characters are 3/4" high and single digit in the 1963 models, usually in the range of 1 to 5...."

Joe's response to my post, with a serial number of his car being in the 10,XXX production range, has a "2-P" designation, and that is NOT what the judging manual shows. So, I'm wondering if the judging manual is really all inclusive? Maybe it should refer to the frames as having not a "single digit", but maybe either a single OR double digit??

Thanks for your input, Alan. Much appreciated.

Jack, There have been hundreds of corrections submitted to the 63-64 judging manual and most, if not all have been lost, stolen or forgotten. The picture that I posted was of the original frame and that 63 came from the original owner never restored. Take that one to the bank.

JR

[John D.]

Re: 1963 chassis frame stencil

No AO Smith exist, that happened in Jan 64 - will that help

Thanks Alan, I was confused in my old age reading the post.
I remember buying my frame stencil from Quanta.