judging cars with extremely low production configuration

[Keith B.]

In the new Restorer from page five from the judging chairman's message it states "we no longer judge Corvettes with extremely low production configuration.

Just to get clarification is that just one low production RPO. And who is going to make that call?

[David H.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

In the new Restorer from page five from the judging chairman's message it states "we no longer judge Corvettes with extremely low production configuration.

Just to get clarification is that just one low production RPO. And who is going to make that call?

Keith,

Dave Brigham's message is a compilation of changes since 8th Edition of JRM was published (2010). Your question relates to a change about 5 years ago. Seems like an L88 kind of thing. Note thread below.

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthread.php?109128-Documentation-for-rare-low-production-cars-options

Dave

[Michael J.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

Interesting.......

[Gary J.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

Maybe the new reference manual will have some clarification when it is printed again

[Terry M.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

In the new Restorer from page five from the judging chairman's message it states "we no longer judge Corvettes with extremely low production configuration.

Just to get clarification is that just one low production RPO. And who is going to make that call?

The National Judging Chairman will make that call.

[Reba W.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

Dave's message does not say they will not be judged, but that they must have documentation.

[Edward M.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

Terry, et all;

If you are saying that the National Judging Chairman will make on the "on the show field on the day of judging", that is a BAD idea.

I, for one, would not consider the restoration of an original low production car unless / until I had some assurance that NCRS would consider it for judging BEFORE I did the restoration.

What about a situation where the car gets restored, shown and judged, and then original paperwork comes to light from a previous owner.

Are we effectively telling our members "Do not restore a car with low production numbers unless you can provide absolute proof that the car is real."

And I will remind everyone that it is much easier to fake paperwork than it is to fake machanical parts, stampings, etc.

So, no longer being judged without paperwork are:

1969 ZL-1 - production number of 2
1967 N03 36 gallon tank - production number of 2
1973 with the YJ8 aluminum wheel option - production number of 4
1971 ZR-1 - production number of 8
1971 ZR-2 - production number of 12
1966 M22 - production number of 15
1967 L-89 - production number of 16
1967 L88 - production number of 20
1972 ZR-1 - production number of 20
1985 AM/FM with CB radio - production number of 16

I think you see my point.

Perhaps we would be better served by putting together a list of years / options that we would require some additional verification from the owner.

A list that perhaps look something like:

The following cars will require additional verification by the owner prior to judging:

All 1967 - 1969 L-88 cars
All 1969 ZL-1 cars
All 1963 Z-06 cars
All 1963-1967 big tank cars
All 1957 Air Box cars
All 1971-1972 ZR-1 cars
All 1971 ZR-2 cars
All 1973 YJ8 cars

The important thing is that we tell our members UP FRONT what they are going to need additional verification for BEFORE they start the restoration.

[Terry M.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

Terry, et all;

If you are saying that the National Judging Chairman will make on the "on the show field on the day of judging", that is a BAD idea.

Ed

That is NOT what I said. Please re-read my post without making assumptions.

While I do not have more experience in life than many others, I have found it is best for me to keep an open mind. Others may chose to live their life differently.

[David B.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

Folks,
I did not say that we will not judge these ultra-low production quantity cars. I did say that there must be authentication in order for us to judge such cars. NCRS does not want to be put in the position where its Flight Award becomes a badge of authenticity. If you have one of these ultra-low production quantity cars, it is probably in your best interest to contact me and/or the appropriate National Team Leader in advance of any judging application.
Dave

[Garwood A.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

Reading this thread piqued my curiosity on how the 11 small block '69 Shrine cars with big block hoods would be judged or would they be judged?
As for documentation, I have all the paperwork on the cars and nowhere on the invoices is there a code for the hoods, so what would be required?
We picked up 10 of the cars at the plant and ordered a replacement car for one of the members who had crashed his big block. On that order form we specified a 427 hood in the additional options or special instructions box.
If anyone has a picture of the members and their '69s it would be helpful in documenting the hoods.
The VINs are listed in the Orphan Document section along with the other '69 cars.
I'd hate to see an owner replace the original big block hood in order to make his car "correct".

[Keith B.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

I am just wondering if your only basing it off one single RPO of being a low production or is a group of RPO making a car very unique. I know you can't prove how many were built each way but of certain combos show up to be judged how would it be handled. by example would be my dads 67 427/390 auto with AC and black on saddle. L36 is not rare at all and AC is not either nor is a powerglide. but all being in a black on saddle makes it very unique.

[David H.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

I am just wondering if your only basing it off one single RPO of being a low production or is a group of RPO making a car very unique. I know you can't prove how many were built each way but of certain combos show up to be judged how would it be handled. by example would be my dads 67 427/390 auto with AC and black on saddle. L36 is not rare at all and AC is not either nor is a powerglide. but all being in a black on saddle makes it very unique.

Keith,

What exterior color and interior does your Trim Tag show?

Dave

[Keith B.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

Keith,

What exterior color and interior does your Trim Tag show?

Dave

Black (900) and saddle (420)

[Tracy C.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

I am just wondering if your only basing it off one single RPO of being a low production or is a group of RPO making a car very unique. I know you can't prove how many were built each way but of certain combos show up to be judged how would it be handled. by example would be my dads 67 427/390 auto with AC and black on saddle. L36 is not rare at all and AC is not either nor is a powerglide. but all being in a black on saddle makes it very unique.

We have no way to determine how "rare" the black/saddle combo really is. Dave B's call regarding low production examples will be verifiably low, All cars entering any NCRS judging event must be approved by The National judging chair before they are officially entered via the online entry process.

I see no cause for alarm here. Doubt if anyone is going to forgo the restoration of an ultra rare car just because the NCRS declines to judge it.

tc

[Edward M.]

Re: judging cars with extremely low production configuration

And my concern is the "Law of Unintended Consequences".

I suspect that this decision may increase the development and production of fake paperwork, etc. that could be used to "authenticate" a rare car.

Realistically, this is probably such a small number of cars that it is almost a non-issue.