1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

[Bob B.]

I have a 70 350hp 4 sp delivered to CT new in late April 70 it has the evaporative control charcoal canister in the drivers inner fender and a Q jet carb 7040507 that Judging guide shows as NA9 Calif emission 350 hp 4 speed
emissions sticker is the white AX this all appears to be original, carb dated Dec 69 the window sticker does NOT show
NA9 emissions no smog pump

I remember some of the eastern states adopting CALIF emissions in the 70's I am about ready for judging so I want it right,
I really hesitate taking anything off the car that appears to have been original- even if it is not " as normally seen"
And yes, I realize this is a high production UAW assembly line, stuff happened. Just odd canister, CA carb and still no NA9

Does this all make sense as original / proper as seen "AS IS" or am I misunderstanding JG
Thanks,
Bob

[Mark E.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

I don't believe 1970 NA9 cars had a smog pump (except LT-1s, all of which had a smog pump). So your configuration is typical for NA9- charcoal canister with no pump.

I wouldn't be surprised to see NA9 cars reallocated across the country or transported from one dealer to another to satisfy an order.

It would be interesting to learn when other metro areas or states adopted California emission standards. I know this happened but don't know when/where.

It is odd the window sticker does not reflect NA9. Do you have the tank sticker?

[Terry M.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Back in the dark ages, when I was 1970 to 72 National Team Leader, I saw a few NA9 cars that were not delivered to California. I came to believe that St Louis pushed out Corvettes with NA9 even though not ordered or required in order to get rid of the parts that were available on the assembly line. In those cases it would not surprise me to see the customer would not be charged for the NA9 option.

One also should keep in mind that NA9 was not exclusive to California. Anyone ordering a 1970 Corvette could order NA9, however, in that case I would expect the customer to be charged for that option.

In writing the Judging Manual we have to include "Typical Factory Production". It is impossible to include every anomaly. We do include the more common deviations, but your situation falls in to the less common ones. Your car sounds pretty original. If there is a Regional close to you I know a few other chrome bumper enthusiasts, besides myself, who would like to see it. You just might be able to make our day, and maybe yours too.

BTW: Mark E is right. The AIR Injection system was not a part of NA9.

[Bob B.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Terry- your reply is the one I was looking for, STUFF HAPPENS and it is very probable my car left the factory with the canister and 0507 NA9 Q Jet carb. Every indication is the carb is the original and the canister is for sure. I will show it AS IS and be prepared to explain.
This car has been a 6 year project and I have had a LOT of "never do that again" lessons. I also bought that 70 yellow/black Convertible
air auto ps pb survivor I will bring it to a local regional AS IS
THANK YOU for your knowledge on these 70's Bob

[Terry M.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Terry- your reply is the one I was looking for, STUFF HAPPENS and it is very probable my car left the factory with the canister and 0507 NA9 Q Jet carb. Every indication is the carb is the original and the canister is for sure. I will show it AS IS and be prepared to explain.
This car has been a 6 year project and I have had a LOT of "never do that again" lessons. I also bought that 70 yellow/black Convertible
air auto ps pb survivor I will bring it to a local regional AS IS
THANK YOU for your knowledge on these 70's Bob

Bob

I am looking forward to seeing you and your cars down the road.

As one of my good NCRS friends says: "You can't make this s$#** up."

[Ron G.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Bob - Would you happen to know the name of the original selling dealer in CT as I reside here. My Dad worked for Cooley Chevrolet that was located in New Haven and I pretty much grew up in that dealership. Thanks. - Ron

[Billy S.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Bob -- I found a car just like that very recently in NJ for a friend in Florida. A 70 L46 sold new in Watertown NY with original window sticker (which does not mention the emission option). Build date was 3/14/70. 40,000 mile original survior. Same carb etc etc

[Bob B.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Ron Happy 2020 70's 50th Birthday
My car 6,787 3/16 build was delivered to Seymour Chev Greenwich CT but dealer traded to Butler Chev New London CT originally sold to
Eric Swanton Jr Trumbull CT 5/30/70 I have ALL original docs, everything all service title/reg
Enjoy
Bob

[Bob B.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Bob -- I found a car just like that very recently in NJ for a friend in Florida. A 70 L46 sold new in Watertown NY with original window sticker (which does not mention the emission option). Build date was 3/14/70. 40,000 mile original survior. Same carb etc etc

WILLIAM,, Now we are talking ! 3/14 build and mine is 3/16 2 days later same 350hp 4 speed same carb same delivery area
same AX emissions sticker? same emissions canister ?
TERRY M are you seeing this ? 70 Judging guide guys THIS SURE LOOKS ORIGINAL TO ME

[Bob B.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Terry Happy new year 2020 50TH bIRTHDAY FOR 1970'S take a look at the posting to my question from William, he has a 70 built 2 days before mine mid march 70 350 4 sp from NY same carb and apparently partial CA emissions
Looks like it could have been typical for some time period will see if there are any more out there
I still have not found where the factory sourced those funky telescopic radio antennas some of the 70's have- BOTH of my 70's have the same tele antenna built March 70 my #6,787 seems pretty early according the JG
Thanks again
Bob

[Peter M.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Bob,
I seem to recall that GM changed the part number of the fixed height service antenna rod and mast to the 69 passenger car telescopic mast. Since the masts were easily stolen or damaged I could see cars showing up with the telescopic masts, even a new corvette that was missing the original.
Kind regards

[Terry M.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

WILLIAM,, Now we are talking ! 3/14 build and mine is 3/16 2 days later same 350hp 4 speed same carb same delivery area
same AX emissions sticker? same emissions canister ?
TERRY M are you seeing this ? 70 Judging guide guys THIS SURE LOOKS ORIGINAL TO ME

OK 2 out of 17,316. We need a little perspective here.

[Terry M.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Bob,
I seem to recall that GM changed the part number of the fixed height service antenna rod and mast to the 69 passenger car telescopic mast. Since the masts were easily stolen or damaged I could see cars showing up with the telescopic masts, even a new corvette that was missing the original.
Kind regards

Pete
The telescoping antenna that is mentioned in the judging guide removes the same way at the fixed height antenna. I doubt theft was the motivating factor in the short-lived use of the telescoping antenna.

[Terry M.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

Terry Happy new year 2020 50TH bIRTHDAY FOR 1970'S take a look at the posting to my question from William, he has a 70 built 2 days before mine mid march 70 350 4 sp from NY same carb and apparently partial CA emissions
Looks like it could have been typical for some time period will see if there are any more out there
I still have not found where the factory sourced those funky telescopic radio antennas some of the 70's have- BOTH of my 70's have the same tele antenna built March 70 my #6,787 seems pretty early according the JG
Thanks again
Bob

Bob
I don't want to put a damper on your enthusiasm, but the way to get the Judging Guide changed is not through this board (although it is helpful for research, as you have found out). I suggest you email the appropriate National Team Leader and/or Judging Manual Coordinator. In this case both can be found under CONTACTS above, but if that doesn't work for you message me and I will provide email contacts to you.

For others looking in: That applies to other Judging Guides as well. In most cases the National Team Leaders do not monitor this board and many of the Judging Manual Coordinators do not either, at least not on a regular basis. One also needs to have some patience since as a rule the minimum time between revisions to the Judging Manuals will be three years and often it will be longer.

In the case at hand, the 1970-72 Manual was revised on a much shorter than usual turn around so one should expect a longer than usual time for the next revision.

[Bob B.]

Re: 1970 Did cars delivered to CT have Evap Control canisters ???

OK 2 out of 17,316. We need a little perspective here.

Well, it's better than one !!! THANKS

I thought I had the only telescopic antenna too