painting BB/CC and judging

[Keith B.]

I know this is a sore subject to most and tired of hearing it. But while today talking to a long time Corvette body man who has been out of the NCRS loop for a couple of decades asked me when NCRS will be more lenient towards cars painted with today's paint seeing how you can no longer buy lacquer based paint. I know the side of the argument that the whole bases is how it was when new. but when the product when new is no longer available and never will again what is one to do.

[Tom A.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

There are many out there today using modern materials to effectively reproduce the appearance of original finishes, it's not that complicated. At most meets you will find probably just as many painted with modern finishes as there are painted with lacquer.

[David H.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

I know this is a sore subject to most and tired of hearing it. But while today talking to a long time Corvette body man who has been out of the NCRS loop for a couple of decades asked me when NCRS will be more lenient towards cars painted with today's paint seeing how you can no longer buy lacquer based paint. I know the side of the argument that the whole bases is how it was when new. but when the product when new is no longer available and never will again what is one to do.

Keith,

Check out link below. Scroll down to revised "paint judging card" (flow chart). Note that BC/CC will generally be on "No" side of factory appearance. However, expert painters, like Tom Ames, can make BC/CC look like lacquer - thus staying on "Yes" side of card and minimizing point loss.
(This lacquer distinction does not relate to later BC/CC Corvettes.)

If your painter adjusts approach for "No" side flow chart opportunities, then BC/CC loss is relatively minimal.

Dave

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthread.php?115074-New-Paint-Judging&highlight=Paint

[Mark E.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

I feel this makes the hobby interesting: How to adapt and apply current technologies/materials to look original.

[Keith B.]

[David H.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

My thick head can’t wrap around how you make current paint look like 60’s lacquer. Now If we are only talking about buffed only above the belt line, dull in the jams and thin paint in the hard to reach places then yes I understand

Keith,

For sure BC/CC to lacquer appearance is not simple - but can be done. I've seen Tom's cars and yes he is a master! Avail yourself, if you can, of his paint classes at Regional/National events - well worth your time.

Most of us, you're correct, occupy card's "No" side.

Dave

[Guest]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

if it's a BC/CC paint job it should be 100% deduction that it, why bend the rules same lines in Tires, engine , exhaust , trim tags, interior, and so on .

[Guest]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

what ever happen to the old rub test in the door jam ?

[Patrick H.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

what ever happen to the old rub test in the door jam ?

Banned many years ago.

If you can't tell by its appearance what it is, then it passes.
It's the same with any other part, if you think about it.

[Dick W.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

It can be done and many cars that have modern finishes have gotten Top Flight, Duntov, Bloomington Gold, etc. It is not easy and most painters will not take the time to make urethane look like lacquer. One well known owner, restorer from the Pacific Northwest was one of the first that I knew was doing it. Listen to Tom and experiment. Takes a lot of experimenting the first time to get the lacquer look in urethane.

[Frank D.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

My painter used single stage and attempted to emulate the esoteric lacquer "look" - also "knocked down" the door jambs and hood lip and surround on my 63 coupe... It came off a bit shinier than original lacquer IMO but I'll live with it...

The touch test was eliminated long ago - it was an attempt to determine if an owner used AquaNet Hair spray or some of that photographer's dulling spray to simulate the "knocked down" look...

[Kenneth B.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

if it's a BC/CC paint job it should be 100% deduction that it, why bend the rules same lines in Tires, engine , exhaust , trim tags, interior, and so on .

Because nobody would have there car judged knowing that they will lose hundreds of points. Not many totally origional Corvettes around and also would be very unsafe to drive.

[Kenneth B.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

My painter used single stage and attempted to emulate the esoteric lacquer "look" - also "knocked down" the door jambs and hood lip and surround on my 63 coupe... It came off a bit shinier than original lacquer IMO but I'll live with it...

The touch test was eliminated long ago - it was an attempt to determine if an owner used AquaNet Hair spray or some of that photographer's dulling spray to simulate the "knocked down" look...

In the old days at the BG show they would rub the paint with polish to see color on the rag to see if it was clear coated.

[Michael J.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

I can always see paint on my rags when I clean or polish my 2 cars with single stage lacquer. But neither has ever escaped deductions during judging, whereas my BC/CC car has had no deductions. It is all about appearance, not the paint used, and that is as it should be.

[Edward B.]

Re: painting BB/CC and judging

Because nobody would have there (sic) car judged knowing that they will lose hundreds of points. Not many totally origional (sic) Corvettes around and also would be very unsafe to drive.

How does original paint make a car unsafe to drive?