Issues identified (Operations Check)

[Richard G.]

I identified some additional issues when completing the operations check on my car.
Maybe I can get some ideas before I delve into them;

1. Windshield wipers do not run. I can hear a click when the switch is turned to low. But that is the only indication they are getting power. Nothing moves. I did check the electrical plugs but that's it so far.
2. Lock keys have to be rotated the wrong direction to lock the doors. I assume the lock cylinders are swapped side to side?

Are the headlight doors operated while the motor is running or not during the operations check? Didn't seem like it was specified so either way should be correct. A couple seconds difference in the operation time between running and not. The difference is 13.8V vers 12V.

Just an observation; Turn signals operate both rear tail lights. Guess I expected only the outer light to blink.

[Wayne L.]

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Door key locks are probably reversed-very common. Headlight doors are operated with the motor running.

[Richard G.]

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Wayne;
Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated.

I had help with the door lock installation.
The backing plates were switched L to R.
Locks were upside down.
And now this. I now hate pulling door panels!
I should have completed the Operations check before re-installation.
Live and learn.

The drivers side interior door pull sometimes fails to open the door. It's like the rod from the handle to the lock is slightly too long. I will deal with this issue at the same time. I suspect it it some differences in the aftermarket interior door know swivel mechanism? Passenger side works great.

[Vinnie P.]

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Door locks upside down should/would pass operations check, however they would fail a PV

[Dick W.]

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Door locks upside down should/would pass operations check, however they would fail a PV

Most definitely, been there done that. One thousand miles round trip to learn that

[Edward J.]

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Rich, for the wipers I would turn the on wipers and do the wiggle test some times the ground is the problem.

[Leif A.]

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Door locks upside down should/would pass operations check, however they would fail a PV

Vinnie,
Actually they do "nick" you for this in operations check. My first flight judging, I had my locks mounted incorrectly. With the key inserted in the door lock correctly (flat side up), when turning the key clockwise the door will lock. If the door locks are installed in the wrong door (driver's vs pasengers) the key will turn counter-clockwise to lock the door...that's how they can tell.

[Vinnie P.]

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Vinnie,
Actually they do "nick" you for this in operations check. My first flight judging, I had my locks mounted incorrectly. With the key inserted in the door lock correctly (flat side up), when turning the key clockwise the door will lock. If the door locks are installed in the wrong door (driver's vs pasengers) the key will turn counter-clockwise to lock the door...that's how they can tell.

Lief, I"ve shared the National Team Leader duties with Dennis Clark for 1961-2, and Dennis was former National Judging Chairman, and we NEVER deducted for the locks being reversed and told our team members the same. Also I judge ops for 2 other mid-year divisions and the TL's I judge for are in agreement. It's operations judging, not PV where it has to work as delivered. For Founders Operations at a regional or national event where you have to drive your Corvette...if you have a working clock (quartz or anything) it passes, same with a radio, could be an AM/FM 8 track in a C1 or C2 etc. it passes...
Perhaps different team leaders think differently, but I'm going with what I've done for the past 20 years.

Vinnie

[Terry M.]

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Lief, I"ve shared the National Team Leader duties with Dennis Clark for 1961-2, and Dennis was former National Judging Chairman, and we NEVER deducted for the locks being reversed and told our team members the same. Also I judge ops for 2 other mid-year divisions and the TL's I judge for are in agreement. It's operations judging, not PV where it has to work as delivered. For Founders Operations at a regional or national event where you have to drive your Corvette...if you have a working clock (quartz or anything) it passes, same with a radio, could be an AM/FM 8 track in a C1 or C2 etc. it passes...
Perhaps different team leaders think differently, but I'm going with what I've done for the past 20 years.

Vinnie

This sounds like a subject for the Team Leaders meeting in February.

[Harry S.]

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This sounds like a subject for the Team Leaders meeting in February.

Terry, I agree with you as I believe there should be a deduction somewhere during flight judging. If not during Operations Check then Exterior should pick it up as the lock is not installed correctly. That's a 20 % hit. If there are two LH locks in the car doors then the hit is even higher.

[Terry M.]

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Terry, I agree with you as I believe there should be a deduction somewhere during flight judging. If not during Operations Check then Exterior should pick it up as the lock is not installed correctly. That's a 20 % hit. If there are two LH locks in the car doors then the hit is even higher.

I think the confusion comes up because it is both an Instillation (Exterior Judging) issue and a functional (Operations/PV) issue. There is no doubt about the PV judging. We should not be making a deduction for both Operations and Exterior judging, so the decision has to be taken as to which area to make the deduction. It IS far easier to detect during Operations than Exterior. Whatever decision is made it ought to be uniform across all the classes of judging. Thus the need to discuss at the Team Leaders meeting. We can all get on the same page that way.

And when Gene, Pete, and I do the Advanced Judging Seminars we can all be singing the same song in the same key.

[Gene M.]

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Vinnie,
Actually they do "nick" you for this in operations check. My first flight judging, I had my locks mounted incorrectly. With the key inserted in the door lock correctly (flat side up), when turning the key clockwise the door will lock. If the door locks are installed in the wrong door (driver's vs pasengers) the key will turn counter-clockwise to lock the door...that's how they can tell.

Leif and Vinnie,
If the locks are installed opposite sides or up side down it is detectable in exterior judging since the slot area will be positioned incorrectly if one knows what to look for. Under CDCIF this is an installation error.

While on the topic of keys say a 67 ignition key should not fit into the tire lock. This has been observed in the past in the exterior section. But I have observed it looked at in operations. IMHO it should only be evualated in one area also. Failure here could be configuration and possibly date.

[Leif A.]

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Vinnie, Terry and Gene,
All four times my '67 was Regionally judged at the Lone Star Regional during OPs they checked the locking/unlocking position of the door locks, as well as, which key unlocked the spare tire. I was docked points on my first go round because the door locks were installed in the wrong doors (left should have been right and vice versa). Flipped them around when I got home, and have breezed OPs ever since. Just my experience.

[Frank E.]

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For your wipers, if the wiper motor hasn't been apart, more than likely the grease has hardened and won't allow the mechanism to engage. It's an easy fix and can be done without removing the wiper motor if that's the issue. Take the cover off and spray some cleaner to displve the harden grease. Then relube it.....

[Joseph S.]

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Richard, For the wiper issue, Make sure that the Black ground wire is connected to the base of the wiper motor. Also, check to make sure this black wire has ground. If someone connected the ground to the positive lug of the starter instead of the mounting bolt, this will also cause the wipers to fail.