Solid State Regulator detection in ops or PV judging

[Leif A.]

Re: Solid State Regulator detection in ops or PV judging

We need more judges like you, Mr. Whittington!

Amen to that!!

[Michael J.]

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Amen to that!!

Me three, the underlying attitude counts.

[Keith B.]

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Half the fun in judging is that you know what is wrong with your car and watching the judges trying to find it. I never was an anal retentive judge, if if it looked like a duck, quacked like a duck, and walked like a duck it probably was a duck.

I tried to have fun and make it fun for the car owners. The only time I would come down hard is if the owner was trying to misrepresent what the car was, i.e. 435 hp vs 300 hp

that is how some of the founding members taught me how to judge and made sure I understood "appear" means.

[Jim D.]

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that is how some of the founding members taught me how to judge and made sure I understood "appear" means.

Big difference between "appear" and "performance". If your goal is to fool the judges with incorrectly modified cars, so be it. I look at it as cheating on a test, the only fool is you. A previous post proves that.

[Frank D.]

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Big difference between "appear" and "performance". If your goal is to fool the judges with incorrectly modified cars, so be it. I look at it as cheating on a test, the only fool is you. A previous post proves that.

Completely uncalled for personal insult..

Time for the moderators...

[Edward B.]

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I come from the school, nothing is illegal unless you get caught!

That is an interesting moral concept. How does it work when applied to life in the real world?

[Dick W.]

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That is an interesting moral concept. How does it work when applied to life in the real world?

Apparently you have never been around racing very much. Old adage "if you are winning you are cheating, if you are not winning you are not cheating"

[Gene M.]

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Big difference between "appear" and "performance". If your goal is to fool the judges with incorrectly modified cars, so be it. I look at it as cheating on a test, the only fool is you. A previous post proves that.

Wonderfully stated. This is not a “can I pull one over on the judging system”. But rather it is intended to present and evualate as correctly restored Corvette as one can and look at it in the same manor. Nobody crosses the finish line first or last as none is pitted against the other. If one is content attaining an award because he “got away with something” then enjoy the glory. It is only a secret you know.

I always thought of this club as a sharing of knowledge and method of restoring between members. Not as a competition of what one could get thru the system that one knowing knows is incorrect.

Here is something one might want to try that is sharing and exchange of information. As an owner judge your car before the meet at home in your own garage. Fill out the judging sheet and truely be honest and possibly a bit tuffer on points. Again be complete, try not to miss anything. Bring these judging sheet with you to the meet. After the judges have completed your car and reviewed it with you pull out your sheets. Lay them both (yours and judges) for that section, down on the car. Then compare one to the other quickly to cover issues possibly missed on either side. Understand a chapter meet this time wise might work out better. But you may be surprised at a regional meet the judges generally are very receptive to information they may have over looked. As it turns out the scoring on one such activity the judges were a more favorable score on my car than I was.

[Frank D.]

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Wonderfully stated. This is not a “can I pull one over on the judging system”. But rather it is intended to present and evualate as correctly restored Corvette as one can and look at it in the same manor. Nobody crosses the finish line first or last as none is pitted against the other. If one is content attaining an award because he “got away with something” then enjoy the glory. It is only a secret you know.

I always thought of this club as a sharing of knowledge and method of restoring between members. Not as a competition of what one could get thru the system that one knowing knows is incorrect.

Here is something one might want to try that is sharing and exchange of information. As an owner judge your car before the meet at home in your own garage. Fill out the judging sheet and truely be honest and possibly a bit tuffer on points. Again be complete, try not to miss anything. Bring these judging sheet with you to the meet. After the judges have completed your car and reviewed it with you pull out your sheets. Lay them both (yours and judges) for that section, down on the car. Then compare one to the other quickly to cover issues possibly missed on either side. Understand a chapter meet this time wise might work out better. But you may be surprised at a regional meet the judges generally are very receptive to information they may have over looked. As it turns out the scoring on one such activity the judges were a more favorable score on my car than I was.

Really ? Insults aside what you suggest is what I did with my car prior to the regional...

Judges don't use pejorative terms like "cheating" for a reason....to keep the events comradely and collegial...hence the term "Not Typical Production"... Others should take a hint...especially those that haven't campaigned a car. Egregious offenses are, of course, are disqualifications.

It was educational to see what I considered a 'hit' and what the judges got me on....things like the wrong finish on the screws holding my cowl vents on and the wrong windshield washer nozzles. All minor stuff and corrected since judging... Some things I thought I would get tagged on, I did not....like the amount of blackout on the car (its a lot)... I knew I'd get nailed on shiny paint and aftermarket A/C going in...

[Keith B.]

[Gene M.]

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Really ? Insults aside what you suggest is what I did with my car prior to the regional...

I did run with the voltage regulator modified as described above because the original crapped out a few days before judging and the repros are just awful...

It was educational to see what I considered a 'hit' and what the judges got me on....things like the wrong finish on the screws holding my cowl vents on and the wrong windshield washer nozzles. All minor stuff and corrected since judging... Some things I thought I would get tagged on, I did not....like the amount of blackout on the car (its a lot)... I knew I'd get nailed on shiny paint and aftermarket A/C going in...

And I hope both yourself and the judges shared information and both were sharing of knowledge and exchange of it. Keep in mind the restoration of these Corvettes as correctly as possible is the goal. Now I realize there are some that the award is the only goal. And even others as high a score as they can muster is all they want. Sad as that may be it is reality.

I realize not everyone is at the same knowledge level and it does affect the judging out come. But if the true restoration is one’s goal, correct will preside over something that is just wrong and ultimately be of higher favorable evualation.

[Jim D.]

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Wonderfully stated. This is not a “can I pull one over on the judging system”. But rather it is intended to present and evualate as correctly restored Corvette as one can and look at it in the same manor.

Exactly, but there are some that brag about their judging score yet on a different forum, brag about all the things that the judges missed. Even going so far as posting, regarding a Hurst shifter and a repo. handle, "If you wince a bit and exude a slight grunt while pulling up on the fake lockout during ops checks it’ll even pass judging" .

[Michael J.]

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Yes, and there are some who discuss what the judges got wrong, but usually that is with the judges, not a public forum. Some judges might even admit they got it wrong.

[Gene M.]

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Exactly, but there are some that brag about their judging score yet on a different forum, brag about all the things that the judges missed. Even going so far as posting, regarding a Hurst shifter and a repo. handle, "If you wince a bit and exude a slight grunt while pulling up on the fake lockout during ops checks it’ll even pass judging" .

Well, next time you are evualation this type shifter. Have them work the shifter into reverse WITHOUT touching the “T” handle with some force.

If it is correct the shifter will not go towards the left past first. If it does ......... you found a fake. When catching a cheat ya gotta be one step ahead.

[Gene M.]

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Yes, and there are some who discuss what the judges got wrong, but usually that is with the judges, not a public forum. Some judges might even admit they got it wrong.

Yes the possibility of getting something wrong exists. Generally it amounts to a couple points. And in the whole 4500 point system it amounts to nothing. Remember it takes 45 points to equal one percentage point. Even 4 points don’t make a tenth of a percentage point. As for the time to discuss the point deducted for that is why it is reviewed with the owner. Guys please don’t be one of the types that misses two or three operations and argues over 2 points on say the interior or chassis. Just makes no sense.