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  • Roy S.
    Past National Judging Chairman
    • July 31, 1979
    • 1025

    #16

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    • John D.
      Very Frequent User
      • June 30, 1991
      • 875

      #17
      Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

      In my humble opinion that's a business proposition for the recreator of what it was back then that's not supported by what's left of it now a couple of banged and modified up outer panels and the remnants of a frame notwithstanding.

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      • Michael J.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • January 27, 2009
        • 7122

        #18
        Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

        Originally posted by John Daly (19684)
        In my humble opinion that's a business proposition for the recreator of what it was back then that's not supported by what's left of it now a couple of banged and modified up outer panels and the remnants of a frame notwithstanding.
        I agree, but to each his own. This one reminds me of the CSX 2000 series 1964 FIA Cobra that Bob Bondurant won races in, it was shipped to England and raced with a different driver who totaled it at the Brands Hatch track. A door and part of the interior, and a part of the frame was salvaged and years later 2 cars with the same CSX number were "restored" and offered for sale as the original car. I wonder if that may happen here someday when more mangled parts of it emerge.........
        Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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        • Loren L.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • April 30, 1976
          • 4104

          #19
          Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

          Why does Mr. Edmondson's post keep "going to the back of the line"?

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          • Arland D.
            Moderator
            • July 31, 1980
            • 422

            #20
            Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

            Loren,

            Your question has nothing to do with the topic but rather the display mode you have selected. When viewing in the hybrid or threaded mode his post is positioned according to the post he responded to. If you change your display mode to linear, things should make more sense in the time line.

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            • Philip A.
              Expired
              • February 26, 2008
              • 329

              #21
              Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

              The state of this car will challenge individual definitions of recreation versus restoration, which folks will have different opinions on anyway. Based on my understanding of law and what members here have done in the name of restoration, parts are allowed to be restored or replaced. Parts have included engines, chassis, all body and interior pieces. The part that cannot be legally replaced by a restorer is the VIN tag. In my opinion, this is a restoration around an original VIN tag regardless of how much of the original parts of the car are left.

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              • Roy S.
                Past National Judging Chairman
                • July 31, 1979
                • 1025

                #22
                Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

                This is a race car. That changes the metrics of restoration completely in my world. But anything less than the original VIN plate and frame secondary VIN could always create issues down the road.

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                • Keith R.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • August 31, 2001
                  • 660

                  #23
                  Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

                  Agreed Roy
                  Originally posted by Roy Sinor (2608)
                  This is a race car. That changes the metrics of restoration completely in my world. But anything less than the original VIN plate and frame secondary VIN could always create issues down the road.
                  Keith MacRae
                  NCRS #36692
                  New Mexico Chapter
                  1960 290HP FI
                  2013 427 Convertible

                  Shade tree mechanic and
                  B-52 pilot extraordinaire

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                  • George J.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • March 1, 1999
                    • 775

                    #24
                    Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

                    Originally posted by Roy Sinor (2608)
                    This is a race car. That changes the metrics of restoration completely in my world. But anything less than the original VIN plate and frame secondary VIN could always create issues down the road.
                    Yes, I also agree with Roy.

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                    • Loren L.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • April 30, 1976
                      • 4104

                      #25
                      Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

                      Has RM Sotheby provided information about the title for 1960 #3535 and its details, ala: Issuing State, #, date; listed owners, previous title #, liens and encumbrances,............

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                      • Richard M.
                        Super Moderator
                        • August 31, 1988
                        • 11323

                        #26
                        Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

                        Loren, the Florida Title has been cancelled according to this recent inquiry. See below. Who knows what or where the present title is. Is it Indiana maybe?

                        I recall getting this FL inquiry back in 2012 when the "real" car owner Kevin Mackay got scammed by the alleged perpetrator(D.I.). DI got some guy to get it a few days before the showing at Carlisle. The new Title holder(Mathes), or DI likely had a buddy at the FL DMV and DI may have conned him into the whole deal. His MO was just like that over the years. So later, DI buys out Mathes, someone else buys out DI, and here we are, 7 or 8 years in court, 9 years since the showing, over the ownership of a "car". However, it doesn't beat the record setting D.I. scam over the '57 Super Sport though.... that one was 11 years. And I think the Larry M. DI scam went about 10 or so, and that's why his name is in this case too. He still hasn;t gotten satisfaction from that DI scam either. All of the lawyers did GREAT!!!

                        So my opinion about the auction. I think the result would be better if they took the body off, cut the original artifacts of the Lemans car from it and make a Plexiglas case with all of those pieces in it and bolt it the the bare rolling frame. Clean the frame where the vin# is stamped(2 places). Then roll it up on the block with the engine and steering box(with VIN tag showing, with added tie-wraps around it so it doesn't fall off!) and steering wheel attached and present it "as-is".

                        The existing body is probably going to the scrap yard after disecting the race stuff, and the restoration will likely be a "Re-Body" project anyway. The present body is such a eyesore I think the auction result would be better if it wasn't there, just the important pieces showing in a glass case.

                        Rich
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                        From..... https://services.flhsmv.gov/MVCheckWeb/InquiryView.aspx




                        Vehicle Information Check
                        Vehicle Identification Number: 00867S103535 Year/Make: 1960 CHEVROLET
                        Previous Title State: FLORIDA Registration Expiration Date:
                        Title: 8536629 Title Issue Date: 8/17/2012
                        Title Status: CANCELLED Title Print Date:
                        Odometer Reading/Status: EXEMPT Odometer Date:
                        Color: WHITE Vehicle Type: AUTO
                        Net Weight: 3,010 Owner Information: 1 owner
                        Paper Title Salvage:
                        Brands:
                        There is no lien on this vehicle.
                        If any of the information on this record needs to be corrected, please contact your tax collector and complete appropriate paperwork to update the record.
                        If you have lost or misplaced your title and need to apply for a duplicate, click here for the form and instructions.

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                        • Michael J.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • January 27, 2009
                          • 7122

                          #27
                          Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

                          I agree Richard, that car looks like a Frankenstein monster......
                          Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                          • Dennis H.
                            Expired
                            • September 30, 2005
                            • 226

                            #28
                            Re: Briggs Cunningham Corvette sale

                            Lot of drama considering the vast majority of this cars life was spent being just another used Chevy.

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