NCRS Concours class cars judged during Corvettes at Carlisle

[Dick G.]

Re: NCRS Concours class cars judged during Corvettes at Carlisle

I had my 65 Top flighted last year for the second time.
I also have a 1960 Corvette Restomod. This 1960 powertrain was completely wrong carb to the rear end. I could've done like I did with my old 57 years ago and compiled a correct dated powertrain, re-stamp etc. Not original, just correct/factory typical.
So, I went the {Restomod Route}. A friend of mine needed a frame for his rusted out 59 project. It all worked out. I highly recommend restorers to try doing a Restomod if you find yourself with an all wrong corvette. Your first drive will convince you.
Now, in respect of having my Restomod judged for Concourse, my question is this, what value/purpose does it do for me or my cars value/worth?
When one achieves Top Flite this award Validates your corvette as being a factory typical/original factory designed corvette.
Concourse award will validate that my corvette's operations checked out, No gaping unfinished holes? What Else?
What value does this judging do for a restomod corvette?
Again, I think its a great idea. Bring back some old and new members.
I still love the survivor type corvettes.

[Don H.]

Re: NCRS Concours class cars judged during Corvettes at Carlisle

Bruce, A simplified answer is the sheets are about like the normal judging sheets for each year without the originality column, only condition. Owner inspired additions are fine. PM me if you want to see one. Don H.

[Bruce B.]

Re: NCRS Concours class cars judged during Corvettes at Carlisle

Dick Gutman, your 1960 Restomod is beautiful and congratulations on some beautiful work.
As we go "Gray" I have found that "IF YOU DRIVE YOUR CORVETTE", which seems to be a rare occurrence in the NCRS the appeal of a Restomod grows. Power steering, AC, power brakes, a good suspension and other creature comforts gets more appealing. I still drive my 3 Corvettes (all pre 1965) and enjoy them, but for some reason they are growing more uncomfortable....LOL
I agree with your reasoning and the questioning of the value of the Concourse Judging.
I have a 1957 Corvette Gasser (Street and Strip)which has won a National Award and others and getting a Black Ribbon is questionable. By the way my 57 has all the original parts (in boxes) along with the original 283/233 engine.
The entry cost, the transportation cost, food and lodging add up quickly, and all for a Black Ribbon...
Also the NCRS states that a Top Flight award does not validate originality in the legalize somewhere.

[Dick G.]

Re: NCRS Concours class cars judged during Corvettes at Carlisle

Bruce
Thanks for your post and kind words.
I hope I didn't affect any potential Concourse Judging people from going through with it.
I was only curious to what the benefits could be.
Imagine seeing a Restomod either at a Car Show or For sale ad/auction, what will the Concourse ribbon mean to the unknowing? What was accomplished?
Thank You

[Dick G.]

Re: NCRS Concours class cars judged during Corvettes at Carlisle

BTW
I'm in that Carlisle picture observing the judging process. I'm the {good lookin'} gray haired chubby guy.
I was pleased seeing these cars looked at by the judges. Reaching out to potential new members is always great.
From what I've seen over the last 5 years? the young people just do not care about the old cars. BUT, I have had numerous Millenials loving our C7 corvette. Curious. I cant explain that. All that classic styling and they don't care.

[Tom J.]

Re: NCRS Concours class cars judged during Corvettes at Carlisle

Hi guys I have to chime in on this topic. The people who build restomods are craftsmen who build works of art. A guy who can put a late model dash into a c-3 and make it look factory doesn't need a ribbon to validate what he has done. Where the NCRS is missing the point is the PUBLIC is interested in how to restore a corvette properly. I was at the Corvette Expo this spring where John Ballard was judging a 65 coupe and there were about 20 people watching him. I asked most of those people what the big deal was about this car and the overwhelming answer was that they had never seen a car judged with that much attention to detail. One man commented that when his Shelby was judged they didn't care about correct bolts just as long as they were present. My point here is if we would promote our judging meets as a public event more people would see the hobby and want to get involved therefore membership would rise. Next spring my chapter is having a Regional in Cincinnati and we are promoting it like no other event NCRS has done. Maybe the NCRS is waking up, I saw some pictures of the National and they had a homemade hand written admission fee of 10 bucks on the Judging placard. I bet they would have had a much larger public attendance if the public knew the event was there. Just my 2 cents

[Patrick H.]

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Next spring my chapter is having a Regional in Cincinnati and we are promoting it like no other event NCRS has done.

Back in 2008 we promoted our Regional with print ads, radio ads, notices to NCCC clubs, you name it. After all, isn't the Detroit area filled with car guys who would love to visit?

What good did it do? None.
Off-the-street attendance was no different than any other Regional.

Needless to say, we did not advertise the 2011 National or recent 2018 Regional based on the 2008 results.

[Bruce B.]

Re: NCRS Concours class cars judged during Corvettes at Carlisle

Patrick, your findings are rather discouraging, but honest I am sure.
Bruce B.

Back in 2008 we promoted our Regional with print ads, radio ads, notices to NCCC clubs, you name it. After all, isn't the Detroit area filled with car guys who would love to visit?

What good did it do? None.
Off-the-street attendance was no different than any other Regional.

Needless to say, we did not advertise the 2011 National or recent 2018 Regional based on the 2008 results.

[Bruce B.]

Re: NCRS Concours class cars judged during Corvettes at Carlisle

Dick,
In my humble opinion the new class of people does not want to get their hands dirty, need to have all the creature comforts, all the exotic safety equipment and typically need driving lessons. The world has changed and that along with $$$$$ is changing our hobby.
I was at the judging but did not get in the picture.

Keep on truckin. Bruce B

BTW
I'm in that Carlisle picture observing the judging process. I'm the {good lookin'} gray haired chubby guy.
I was pleased seeing these cars looked at by the judges. Reaching out to potential new members is always great.
From what I've seen over the last 5 years? the young people just do not care about the old cars. BUT, I have had numerous Millenials loving our C7 corvette. Curious. I cant explain that. All that classic styling and they don't care.