1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

[Richard T.]

I have a pretty original 68 and the jack compartment storage tray did not have the rubber bumpers on it as called for in the A.I.M. and judging guide so I wanted to add them. I believe there is an error in the judging guide as it calls for eight bumpers and there are only six locations available. I have three original 68 trays and all have six holes.
I bought repo bumpers and installed them from the bottom as shown in the A.I.M. The tray now sits about 1/4" up from the frame and makes the door a little hard to close. Just recently I bought another original 68 jack storage tray , correct 6 1/2" depth, no notch for the latch etc, and it had rubber bumpers installed, The difference is that these bumpers were trimmed on the bottom or frame side. It looks like they were trimmed with a clipper or razor blade. The end result is the tray sitting lower in the frame and the door easier to close. So before I trim my new bumpers are there any original owners who can say for sure what was done at the factory? A minor point for sure but it's driving me crazy.
The first picture is one of the new bumpers installed. The remaining pictures are of the original tray with the trimmed bumpers.
Thanks in advance. Rich

[Gary B.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

Thanks for posting. Appreciate it.

What the 68-69 TIM&JG currently says: 1968 original boxes have rubber bumpers around the periphery of the upper lip. (See Figs. I 14.14 & 14.15) Two bumpers per side are used for a total of eight.

Probably what we should have said: 1968 original boxes have rubber bumpers around the periphery of the upper lip on three sides. (See Figs. I 14.14 & 14.15) Two bumpers are used on the front edge of the plastic surround. A total of eight rubber bumpers are used.

I think :-) Maybe... The rubber bumper went away on the fiber storage trays sometime early 1968 calendar year. March or April, I think. I have a very original 19,000 serial number 68 that does not have them. And I have not seen them on other later cars. Probably for the same reason you are having.

I maybe wrong, but need to look at more cars, learn more. so...

What is your build date? Does your plastic surround have holes for two bumpers up front? Pictures? Always like pictures :-)

Jeff Pollard supplied the pictures for the TIM&JG. (Thanks Jeff) Hopefully he chimes in. He has a very original 68, maybe he can fix the wording better also.

Still learning. The more we know, the more we are certain we don't know.

Gary Bosselman

[Richard T.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

Gary, Thanks for the response, I have an April 10 th car 15742. I'll take pictures of the tray tomorrow and post on this thread. Had no bumpers when I got it and I added them without checking first.

[Richard T.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

Thanks for posting. Appreciate it.

What the 68-69 TIM&JG currently says: 1968 original boxes have rubber bumpers around the periphery of the upper lip. (See Figs. I 14.14 & 14.15) Two bumpers per side are used for a total of eight.

Probably what we should have said: 1968 original boxes have rubber bumpers around the periphery of the upper lip on three sides. (See Figs. I 14.14 & 14.15) Two bumpers are used on the front edge of the plastic surround. A total of eight rubber bumpers are used.

I think :-) Maybe... The rubber bumper went away on the fiber storage trays sometime early 1968 calendar year. March or April, I think. I have a very original 19,000 serial number 68 that does not have them. And I have not seen them on other later cars. Probably for the same reason you are having.

I maybe wrong, but need to look at more cars, learn more. so...

What is your build date? Does your plastic surround have holes for two bumpers up front? Pictures? Always like pictures :-)

Jeff Pollard supplied the pictures for the TIM&JG. (Thanks Jeff) Hopefully he chimes in. He has a very original 68, maybe he can fix the wording better also.

Still learning. The more we know, the more we are certain we don't know.

Gary Bosselman

Gary,
Here are some pictures of the original undated tray from 68 #15742. I added the 5 bumpers to a tray that never had any. I just noticed that the sixth hole on the side facing the driver was apparently covered up when it was originally flocked (pic #5) and I never saw it until now. All three 68 trays I own have 6 holes, two each on top and bottom and one on each side. Rich

[Gary B.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

I'll get Judging manual corrected. Tomorrow, I'll get pictures of the two 68's I have here at the house.
Appreciate your help....
Gary B

[Gary B.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

68 SN 16191 has the bumpers in the box. It has two bumpers in the rear, one on each side and two in the front, total of six. It also has two bumper in the front side of the plastic surround. They also have been "trimmed" almost off.



On 68 SN 19740, the box does not have them, and never has. It is also undated. I does have the two rubber bumpers in the plastic surround.



I wonder if the transistion was around you 15xx and this 16xxx or slightly after. Just need to look some more. Maybe others with 68 will chime.

Appreciate the post.

Gary B

[Richard T.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

Interesting, I tempted to remove the bumpers from mine as I now believe it left St. Louis that way. Would like to see a couple more in the 15XXX to 16XXX range first. Rich

[Gary B.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

I probably would leave them off also. We learn from "unmolested" cars. Sometimes, we have a hard time believing what we see, but if you let the car speak to you, you can learn a lot.

Most people have probably already quit ready this thread. So.....
1. What color is the interior? I know through at least 12,xxx, they windshield pillars were painted interior color, not black Trying to see far that went into 68 before they panted all of them black.
2. Has the front lower black plastic spoiler been replaced.? Which way are the bolts pointing? I think the 68s, the bolts pointed to the rear, like the AIM. Trying to pin down VIN when they changed. 19,xxx in my garage, points to the rear. Another new item learned since 5th Edition.
3. Last but not least, early 68s had different front bumper mounting. The big horse-shoe shaped brace, tht bolts to the center of the front bumper, had an additional mounting bracket underneath. Trying to see how far those were used...

Gary B

[Richard T.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

Gary,
My car has the tobacco interior, still all original. I had to look very hard but found the Mfr. logo stamped into the heel pad. A very fine stamp. The windshield pillars are painted tobacco. Also the front spoiler was replaced by me and I re installed the bolts as they came out pointing to the rear. I'll take a look at the horse shoe brace tomorrow. Rich

[Brad Hillhouse (37766)]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

Most people have probably already quit ready this thread. So.....

2. Has the front lower black plastic spoiler been replaced.? Which way are the bolts pointing? I think the 68s, the bolts pointed to the rear, like the AIM. Trying to pin down VIN when they changed. 19,xxx in my garage, points to the rear. Another new item learned since 5th Edition.


Gary B

Gary B, I am still here and following all 1968 threads! At Chapter flight judging I had installed these bolts as per AIM page H227 (sec 11-13 A2.5) with bolt head facing forward and the nuts on the backside of the black plastic valance and received a deduction for installation. So I then changed them to nuts forward and bolt heads on the backside of the black plastic valance as per TIMJG 5th Ed page 200-01. For Vegas, which way would you recommend me to install these bolt/nuts to receive the lowest point deduction?

Thank you!
Brad Hillhouse
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[Gary B.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

Thank you. I'll post in the morning a picture of the bracket. Is this what they call "highjacking" a thread?
Gary B

[Gary B.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

SN 12,xxx, 16,xxx and 19,3xx has the bolts pointing toward the rear. All three are real original cars that will be run through Bowtie. SN 19,3xx is going for Bowtie in Las Vegas. I have probably seen a dozen or so cars, with original spoilers, the bolts pointing to the rear. There was three or four in the Gold Collection as well as the white, blue 68 for Survivor judging. I am absolutely convince 68s were that way. I am trying to figure out how late they did that, if it was done all the way through 68. To answer your question, lets put it in the way it should be. We need to "RE-TRAIN" the judges. I can do that Tuesday during Bowtie judging....

Are you bringing the Bill Mitchell car for "Flight Judging" ? If yes, call me please...

Gary B

[Brad Hillhouse (37766)]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

no, mine was the red L71 in front of the Mitchell car. Yes, I am coming to Vegas for Flight Judging not that the direction of those bolts is going to be a make or break deal for my car!

Brad Hillhouse

[Gary B.]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

Ok. My error. Fix bolts, bring VLCHEK wrench. We'' have "Judging School" Tuesday morning :-)

Gary

[Brad Hillhouse (37766)]

Re: 1968 Jack storage tray bumpers

Ok. My error. Fix bolts, bring VLCHEK wrench. We'' have "Judging School" Tuesday morning :-)

Gary

Im on it!! super excited to be there!

Brad