The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

[Edward M.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

But the question still remains, is 300 points for add on aftermarket air the TOTAL deduction, or are there "additional" deductions for "other things" that got changed because of the add on A/C?

[Patrick H.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

Per the statement, the 200 or 300 point deduction is the minimum you should expect. It's not a standard deduction, but rather the expected total point hit once the Operations, Originality and Condition deductions are added up for each item affected by the add-on.

Having said this, it sure would be nice if we could arrive at a list of items affected with point loss. I would suspect that for 58-62, 63-67 or 68-72 it's the same items for each grouping of car years, and a handout or list could be made for both judges and owners in order to facilitate judging.

As the statement is written, it's still up to the judging team on the "day of" to determine total points loss.

[Domenic T.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

I've always wanted to ask this, and with the knowledge here on this thread, here it go's. I bought a 67 435 HP car when I was a Chevy mechanic in 1971. With that engine factory air was not available. I added it (factory air) with every factory detail.
I don't want to falsify it by changing the HP. I jumped thru hoops to make it bone stock. IF I ever have my car judged what happens?

Dom

[Patrick H.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

IF I ever have my car judged what happens?

Dom

COPO car?

[Tim G.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

Good question, I don't know if judging would differentiate between Vintage Air and GM air. Of course, they would know it was added since a 435 could not be ordered with AC.

[Domenic T.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

Pat,
don't know what COPO means?

Dom

[Harry S.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

I guess it's like side pipes. If you see an AOS car with pipes start deducting. If you see a 67 435 car with A/C start deducting. There are tell tale signs for added pipes as well as added A/C. If you know what to look for they are easy to spot.

[Terry M.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

I guess it's like side pipes. If you see an AOS car with pipes start deducting. If you see a 67 435 car with A/C start deducting. There are tell tale signs for added pipes as well as added A/C. If you know what to look for they are easy to spot.

The way I read David's article was the judges should, as you said Harry, "start deducting". The end of the deductions for only the Air Conditioning should be about the numbers mentioned for each generation of Corvettes. I expect this is the instructions the judges should receive from the Team Leaders.

[Patrick H.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

Pat,
don't know what COPO means?

Dom

Central Office Production Order.

Google COPO if you wish. It's how they had cars assembled outside the normal ordering parameters.

[Domenic T.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

Thanks,

Dom

[Michael J.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

Thanks,

Dom

Dom, here is a good article about the COPO program of old Chevy lore..........

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/the-inside-story-of-chevys-copo-program/

[David H.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

I've always wanted to ask this, and with the knowledge here on this thread, here it go's. I bought a 67 435 HP car when I was a Chevy mechanic in 1971. With that engine factory air was not available. I added it (factory air) with every factory detail.
I don't want to falsify it by changing the HP. I jumped thru hoops to make it bone stock. IF I ever have my car judged what happens?

Dom

Domenic,

No change to your situation with this "Vintage Air" clarification. Your modification was (and still is) subject to Standard Deduction Guideline #9, Added or Deleted Options. Detectable addition or deletion of any regular production vehicle option subsequent to factory assembly is subject to full deduction on Originality and Condition.

FWIW: Did a Q&D review of a 1963 with very nice Vintage Air (complete unit with compressor, alternator, power steering, serpentine belt, etc). Deductions were just north of 300 points. Anticipate we will get some schools on how to address individual line items.

Dave

[Edward M.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

So basically people with Vintage A/C systems installed on their cars still don't have a clear idea of what it is going to cost them, other than a minimum hit of 300 points.

I thought the whole idea of standard deduction was supposed to take all of the guesswork out of these situations.

I am more confused about this topic than when I first asked the question.

[Frank D.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

So basically people with Vintage A/C systems installed on their cars still don't have a clear idea of what it is going to cost them, other than a minimum hit of 300 points.

I thought the whole idea of standard deduction was supposed to take all of the guesswork out of these situations.

I am more confused about this topic than when I first asked the question.

I think its clear of one cost -- a Top Flight award.

Unless you have beau coup driving points and an otherwise perfect car 300 point (MINIMUM C2) hit takes you out of the running and I don't think that is coincidental.

As far as my SWC with Vintage Air A/C:

Message sent and received loud and clear; its off the judging circuit, I already have a regional 93% Second Flight and that's as good as I can now hope for...with the added A/C. I have no problem with that...

[David H.]

Re: The Restorer statement about standard deductions for afterarket A/C

So basically people with Vintage A/C systems installed on their cars still don't have a clear idea of what it is going to cost them, other than a minimum hit of 300 points.

I thought the whole idea of standard deduction was supposed to take all of the guesswork out of these situations.

I am more confused about this topic than when I first asked the question.

Edward,

Vintage Air currently shows three different “series” for their AC modification. In addition, they have optional mounting brackets and accessories. These variations negate a single point scoring deduction, hence some what of an “up-in-the-vintage-air” situation. (Sorry for pun)

My friend’s 1963 has a very nice “Front Runner” series Vintage Air. Quick scoring assessment per new guidelines (to me) was significantly above 300 points. Other series Vintage Air require much less modification, so I expect scoring deductions to be somewhat less.

These modifications can touch a lot of items, some less apparent than others. Sorting that scoring out will take some training. What this clarification does do is correct prior wide scoring variance.

Dave