Judging A Quartz Clock

[Rick R.]

Regarding judging an operating clock that has a quartz movement installed, my understanding is that it would result in a 25 point (total "line item" deduction) under operations, and then a total deduction ( 10 points, 5 originality and also all 5 condition points) under interior judging. Is this correct?
Thanks.

[Gary J.]

Re: Judging A Quartz Clock

Also a FAIL if you PV if you decide you want to go that route.

[Frank D.]

Re: Judging A Quartz Clock

Regarding judging an operating clock that has a quartz movement installed, my understanding is that it would result in a 25 point (total "line item" deduction) under operations, and then a total deduction ( 10 points, 5 originality and also all 5 condition points) under interior judging. Is this correct?
Thanks.

The ops check is what will kill you...not having that little rewind 'snap' every few minutes and the ticking effect. I don't know why you would lose interior points if the look is still factory...

"The Clock Works" will put an OEM Borg mechanical movement in your clock for about $150. They did my 63 and it passed regional ops/interior with no deducts... I put a hidden 12V relay on the power line so I could stop the clock with a key fob remote for a longer life. I run the clock for car shows and judging only; per Clock Works recommendation. It'll outlast me.

[Patrick H.]

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then a total deduction ( 10 points, 5 originality and also all 5 condition points) under interior judging. Is this correct?
Thanks.

Interior judging is appearance only. In addition, your battery switch is likely off during Interior judging, so no one can tell. As a result, there should not be a deduction. The only deduction would be from the Operations standpoint.

[Gene M.]

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No need to spend big money on an original movement clock. Any GM product in that time period uses the same Borg clock. Salvage yard generally just about give them away. Nobody today has a use for them outside us sick Corvette guys. Simple air cleaning and points clean up gets them ticking for another life. Maybe your Corvette’s own original clock just needs the same attention. Mine are all still working as they did when new. I do disconnect the battery when parked and I’m sure it saves the clock’s life.

Judges should deduct for all aspects of an original clock movement that quartz lacks for operations. Yes full loss for quartz. Keep in mind a quartz clock is not in the flavor of restoration. No different than having a BBC in a 62 vette. Nice but not correct.......

[Edward J.]

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Gene, when judging a clock on operations is there a full point deduct?? the reason I ask is the reset function is also part of operations.

[Gene M.]

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Gene, when judging a clock on operations is there a full point deduct?? the reason I ask is the reset function is also part of operations.

If you look for all the attributes of an original clock; the tick sound, the approximately 90 second reset sound of the points, the hand movement, and the continual run for approximately 90 seconds after reset with battery disconnected. These are all attributes of the original a quartz will not demonstrate. Battery needs to be connected for operations and at completion disconnected. That is when the quarts will stop dead where as the Borg unit will continue to run for about the 90 seconds mentioned.

A knowledageable judge will look for these attributes (and now you all will) to determine correct Borg vs quartz. It will make decision if not observed to make total deduction for quartz and be without question when reviewed with the owner.

As for the reset knob, that should be demonstrated by the owner. Some quartz do not require the knob to be pulled out to move hands. Which is a failure. Maybe that is what you are referring to by reset function.

[Edward J.]

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Gene, I was thinking the tick- tock was 12.5 ,and the reset was 12.5, as some component's have multiple functions?

[Rick R.]

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I was thinking that it might also be a loss of points on interior since the interior judge could also see the quartz second hand sweeping continuously. I wasn't clear if the battery would be disconnected when the interior is judged. I'd like to keep my quartz clock for "everyday" use. The movements are like $80 and I've installed several through the years including one in my Cuda just last week. As you know, it's easy to remove the glove box and swap clocks. With all of this in mind, can you recommend someone reputable that sells rebuilt clocks with correct movements out right? (not rebuilding my current clock) Thank you all for posting.

[Frank D.]

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Not sure if I saw what year car you have; if its a 63 you can almost forget about a spare clock unless you really wanna reach deep into your wallet. Rebuildable clock cores are going for $500 and up...

[Paul O.]

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Several years ago the National Judging Chairman and Team Leaders made a change on the deductions for a Quartz clock in operations. If you read the latest judging guides it should state in some form that a Quartz clock receives a full deduction.

[Rick R.]

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Not sure if I saw what year car you have; if its a 63 you can almost forget about a spare clock unless you really wanna reach deep into your wallet. Rebuildable clock cores are going for $500 and up...

Frank, sorry - I try to at least put the 67 icon on my posts. I just edited this one and did so. I've seen some supposedly rebuilt with correct internals clocks available out right in the $500-600 range, but have no background on which vendors are known to stand behind their work. Clocks are finicky......

[Harry S.]

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There are several 67 clocks on eBay in the $100 to $200 range. If the cosmetics on your clock are excellent have it rebuilt with original internals then get a core on eBay and insert the quartz to drive with. Try Joe Ray, he is an NCRS member, for a rebuild with original internals.

[Rick R.]

Re: Judging A Quartz Clock

Several years ago the National Judging Chairman and Team Leaders made a change on the deductions for a Quartz clock in operations. If you read the latest judging guides it should state in some form that a Quartz clock receives a full deduction.

Back to my original post/question.....So my reading of the ops section was correct, and a "full deduction" on a "line item" in ops = 25 points, correct????? Again, will the interior judge see the quartz clock second hand sweeping and also make an an "appearance" deduction, or will the battery already be disconnected? Thanks for posting.

[Rick R.]

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There are several 67 clocks on eBay in the $100 to $200 range. If the cosmetics on your clock are excellent have it rebuilt with original internals then get a core on eBay and insert the quartz to drive with. Try Joe Ray, he is an NCRS member, for a rebuild with original internals.

Thanks Harry. My current clock looks excellent, and has an operating quartz movement installed. I want to hang on to it, and because I am impatient, I want to buy an already restored clock with original internals.